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Re: Great Debate About Frequency Of ET Life -

From: Ed Gehrman <egehrman.nul>
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 12:33:39 -0800
Fwd Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 07:36:29 -0500
Subject: Re: Great Debate About Frequency Of ET Life -

>From: James Smith <lunartravel.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 11:32:41 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
>Subject: Re: Great Debate About Frequency Of ET Life

>>From: Bob Shell <bob.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 18:14:02 -0500
>>Subject: Re: Great Debate About Frequency Of ET Life

>>>From: Stanton Friedman <fsphys.nul>
>>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>>Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 12:59:11 -0500 (EST)
>>>Subject: Re: Great Debate About Frequency Of ET Life

>>>I can't see any indication that in parallel with our growth and
>>>development over the past 10 thousand years, other unknown to
>>>us, very advanced civilizations have developed in secret with
>>>incredible technology completely divorced from our known world.

>>I have not put forth that proposition. My theory is that another
>>highly advanced technological civilization of non-humans evolved
>>on Earth millions of years before humans. Similarities would not
>>be because they developed in parallel with us, but would result
>>from convergent evolution at different times in the planet's

>>They did not develop in secret, since no one was around to
>>secret themselves from.

>>Planets are probably a "larval" stage that really advanced
>>civilizations forsake due to their instability. Just because
>>they evolved here does not mean they are still living here as a
>>group. Maybe they have outposts somewhere on Earth, maybe not.
>>Maybe they live on mother ships now and just hang around this
>>unstable old rock out of nostalgia. Who knows? I certainly

>>All I have been trying to do is put forth the proposal that the
>>ETH is not the only possible answer, and perhaps not the most
>>probable one.

>The proposal of "highly advanced technological civilization
>of non-humans evolved on Earth millions of years before
>humans" has some appeal to me (although I don't think we
>need to force the "non-human" aspect, why can't it be

James, Bob, List, EBK,

Advanced human civilizations could have developed space travel,
since there is some indication from ancient manuscripts, myths
and poems that India had vemanas, flying machines of some type,
that used heated mercury as a motor force. The heated mercury
created a vortex, which the flying machine was somehow able to
control. The creatures who seem to be visiting us are by-in-
large not humans, but short, big-headed, large eyed humanoids.

>But human or not, I would expect that their technology would
>have developed more or less like ours. To go from stone knives
>to nanotechnology cannot be done in one step, a certain pathway
>of technology/inventions/societal evolution is required. This
>almost forces a large society/large cities/impact on
>terrain/chemical deposits. Given enough time nuclear
>development, damage of coresident species, venturing out into
>space, inhabiting nearby space seems inevitable for any
>civilization that has had the initiative to wallow up from the

Tesla was able visualize the designs of his inventions. His mind
operated differently from that of an ordinary human so he didn't
need to follow the step by step process we're all familiar with.
Humanoids might also think in a different way from us and not
need all the foreplay you've mentioned above. Monotremes, for
example, have evolved a method of searching for prey by the use
of what is called Electroreception.


If monotremes were to evolve humanoid characteristics and still
retain this power, their thinking and conceptualizing might lead
to other ways of solving problems.

>If these civilizations developed space travel, they must have
>had a phase (part of the logical progression of technological
>progress) of Earth-orbiting satellite building/Moon colonizing.
>For geostationary orbits, such satellites/constellations should
>still be orbiting, even given a vast period of time, but we
>don't see evidence of such a constellation. Also, despite the
>vague evidence of Hoagland/company, the ancient Moon does not
>reveal vast cities, even though there should not have been time
>enough to wipe them off its surface.

After a certain point of technological advance, like what is
envisioned for nanotechnology, avoiding detection would not be a
serious problem until the folks you were hiding from became
technologically sophisticated themselves. Maybe nanotechnology
is as far as we are, or they were, able to progress.

>Did they purposely wipe any trace of existence of themselves
>from the Moon, Earth orbit and Earth surface?

What if they prefer to live underground for protection and
comfort? If they possess nanotechnology, they could live
anywhere they wanted and we wouldn't notice unless they made
mistakes or developed engine trouble.

>They certainly don't seem to make themselves invisible (UFOs) to
>cameras, video, witnesses, radar, ground traces, etc. Sure there
>are many anomolies on/in the Earth, but nothing obviously
>hypertech (giant carbon/diamond fiber buildings made with
>obvious nanotechnology). Was everything that was advanced
>"disassembled" after they were done with it?

Maybe, or they don't build structures like we do and their needs
are different from ours. All average folk have seen are their
flying machines and a few humanoid stragglers.

>In the end, it doesn't seem to matter too much where they are
>from. A crypto can mimic an ET and visa versa and there is no
>way to determine absolutely one from the other. All that really
>matters is that these guys (assuming they exist) seem to have
>some pretty sweet tech we would surely like to get our hands on
>and we need to figure a way to track them down and at minimum
>deduce how they work via sensor data.

There's plenty of evidence to convince me that an alien craft
and its occupants were recovered at Roswell so our government
has already tracked them down and knows exactly what UFO are and
where they came from but fears our reaction to this knowledge.
I've been in Hawaii for the last ten days so when I returned
yesterday, I was able to read this Updates thread all at once.
What a disappointment! Perhaps Margaret was correct: "You can't
tell the people!"


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