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Propulsion Systems [was: Great Debate About

From: Ed Gehrman <egehrman.nul>
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 11:27:32 -0800
Fwd Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 07:25:11 -0500
Subject: Propulsion Systems [was: Great Debate About

>From: Gildas Bourdais <bourdais.gildas.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 16:56:04 +0100
>Subject: Re: Great Debate About Frequency Of ET Life

>>From: Dennis Oliver <deo.nul>
>>Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2007 16:36:56 -0800
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Subject: Re: Great Debate About Frequency Of ET Life

>>I saw little reference to the records of the Vedas and
>>Upanishads, which, (at least in translation) read like science
>>fiction comic books but, as sacred literature, are unlikely to
>>be much less historic than, say the Old Testament or the Gnostic
>>Gospels. Then there are the Annukai references to spacefaring in
>>Sumer literature. Museum drawers may be deeper than we imagine.

>In the Vedas, there were two sorts of vehicles described, it
>seems to me : first, the Vimanas operated with a mysterious
>source of power using mercury; and then even more mysterious
>vehicles which have been often compared to modern UFOs. So, the
>classical question has been since many years, that of supposed
>ancient space visitors.

>In a way, I am more intrigued by the description of Vimanas
>using mercury. If there were such man made craft, known by
>Indian civilization thousands of years ago, I wonder why, even
>if that technology has been lost, it has not been found again,
>during the 20th century, when many countries were scrambling for
>new aeronautical technologies. And why is there no known project
>of that kind now?

Gildas, Dennis, List, EBK,

The Mercury connection to Vimana has been discussed several
times on the List. Ivan Sanderson, in his book Invisible
Residents, brilliantly connects mercury, Vimanas, and an
experiment by a then unknown scientist: Gerald Schubert.


The God known as Mercury is the only god who can fly. He is
represented in a winged hat that often is similar in shape to
the classic UFO and by shoes with wings.

The Vimanas are described in the Daiva, translated by Dr. Ranjee

"Strong and durable must the body be made, like a great flying
bird, of light material. Inside it one must place the mercury-
engine with its iron heating apparatus beneath. By means of the
power latent in the mercury which sets the driving whirlwind in
motion, a man sitting inside may travel a great distance in the
sky in a most marvelous manner."

In 1969 Gerald Schubert and J.A. Whitehead, discovered that when
mercury, in a circular dish, is subjected to a slowly rotating
heat source, the mercury begins to rotate as a vortex in the
opposite direction of the heat and often dramatically exceeds
the speed of the heat source.

I contacted Dr. Schubert several years ago and asked if we could
discuss this experiment; he replied asking why I wanted the

I replied that he and the experiment were mentioned in a book
exploring the possibility that ancient civilizations were
responsible for UFO and could we discuss the experiment in
relation to that possibility. I never received a reply.

Is his research already in use as the motor for the TR3b [flying




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