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Re: The Phoenix Lights 10th Anniversary - Ledger

From: Don Ledger <dledger.nul>
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 14:17:43 -0400
Fwd Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 12:19:06 -0500
Subject: Re: The Phoenix Lights 10th Anniversary - Ledger

>From: Steven Kaeser <steve.nul>
>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 08:40:15 -0500
>Subject: Re: The Phoenix Lights 10th Anniversary

>>From: Jeff Olson <jlolson.nul>
>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 14:23:39 -0600
>>Subject: Re: The Phoenix Lights 10th Anniversary

>>>From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac.nul>
>>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>>Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 15:05:56 -0500
>>>Subject: Re: The Phoenix Lights 10th Anniversary


>>>I triangulated the 1998 lights first because in those sightings
>>>it was clear that several videographers with a wide separation
>>>had videotaped the same lights. I used this triangulation to
>>>confirm the validity of the technique for determining the
>>>distances of these lights.


>>Perhaps I'm being dense, but what exactly are the implications
>>of your triangulated distances, Bruce? Does this have a bearing
>>on whether the lights are flares or true unidentified flying

>If time is taken to look at Bruce's web site and reports, I
>think you'll have an answer to that question. The triangulation
>would support the distance of the objects and that corresponds
>with the alleged location of the Maryland National Guard planes
>that were dropping flares. Information and videos may surface to
>show that there are other objects involved, but Bruce's analysis
>hasn't been refuted.

Steve, Jeff, Bruce.

Something that bothers me is that it's never been made clear why
they were dropping flares in the first place and at such a high
altitude as to make them visible in Phoenix. Was there a ground
exercise in play that night? Were they then dropping flares at
altitudes that would then cause the flares to ignite at between
500 to 1,500 feet above the ground which would NOT then have
been visible in Phoenix.

There is no reason to ignite flares at high level, certainly not
as an illumination tool and  certainly not to train the pilots
how to release them. Their training would be in their ability to
lay the flares at an altitude that would aid ground troops in
seeing enemy troops and assets which thay could target and
destroy. Igniting flares at 5,000-25,000 feet would provide no
more illumination than would the stars.

The flares are either preset-on the ground-to ignite at certain
levels or are preset to ignite a preset distance below the
airplane which must then fly at a certain altitude and release
them so they can ignite at the distances of 1,500 feet or below.
For the purposes of ground exercises, any flares illuminating
above 1,500 feet feet are useless as the light they cast is
minimal and ineffective.

And 500 feet AGL is the optimum according to the specifications.

There are two weak reasons given why these were released at high
level that I know of and these are 1] because it is dangerous to
land with them onboard. This is nonsense. 2] The ordinance
officer didn't want to have to re-stock them so they were
ordered to dump them.

If there was no ground exercise going on in the first place why
did these A-10s have flares on board and why were they dropping
them at such a high altitude?

There seems to be only one reason to have dropped these flares
at such a high level and that was so that they would be seen in

Don Ledger

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