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Re: The Phoenix Lights 10th Anniversary - Maccabee

From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac.nul>
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 19:30:34 -0500
Fwd Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 08:42:45 -0500
Subject: Re: The Phoenix Lights 10th Anniversary - Maccabee

>From: Don Ledger <dledger.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 14:17:43 -0400
>Subject: Re: The Phoenix Lights 10th Anniversary

>>From: Steven Kaeser <steve.nul>
>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 08:40:15 -0500
>>Subject: Re: The Phoenix Lights 10th Anniversary


>Something that bothers me is that it's never been made clear why
>they were dropping flares in the first place and at such a high
>altitude as to make them visible in Phoenix. Was there a ground
>exercise in play that night? Were they then dropping flares at
>altitudes that would then cause the flares to ignite at between
>500 to 1,500 feet above the ground which would NOT then have
>been visible in Phoenix.

It may "bother" you that they were dropping flares at high
altitude, but if I recall correctly the MD Air Guard spokesman
confirmed that they were. At any rate, the triangulation that
shows a long distance does not depend upon any assumed
altitude... that fact that they were seen and video-taped proves
that they were at least high enough to see.

>There is no reason to ignite flares at high level, certainly not
>as an illumination tool and certainly not to train the pilots
>how to release them. Their training would be in their ability to
>lay the flares at an altitude that would aid ground troops in
>seeing enemy troops and assets which thay could target and
>destroy. Igniting flares at 5,000-25,000 feet would provide no
>more illumination than would the stars.

One can get into a big argument over what may or may not seem
logical. But there is no point in it.

I wondered about this myself and concluded that if they were
using night vision devices to see objects on the ground they
would want to have the flares above them so the vision devices
wouldn't "bloom out" which would happen if the devices were to
"see" the flares between then and the ground.

But, I don't know that they were using night vision devices. On
the other hand, if the flares were lower than the airplanes the
air crews could lose their night vision when they looked in the
vicinity fo the flares.

>There are two weak reasons given why these were released at high
>level that I know of and these are 1] because it is dangerous to
>land with them onboard. This is nonsense. 2] The ordinance
>officer didn't want to have to re-stock them so they were
>ordered to dump them.

>If there was no ground exercise going on in the first place why
>did these A-10s have flares on board and why were they dropping
>them at such a high altitude?

>There seems to be only one reason to have dropped these flares
>at such a high level and that was so that they would be seen in

According to the spokesman they were required to dump flares at
the end of the exercise for whatever reason. I found that there
were 8 flares on a A-10. Interestingly enough, the number of
lights that makes up the "Krzysten arc" (starting at the right
end and curving upward and to the left) is 8.... one planeload
of flares.

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