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Re: Great Debate About Frequency Of ET Life -

From: Gildas Bourdais <bourdais.gildas.nul>
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 17:53:38 +0100
Fwd Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 06:54:14 -0500
Subject: Re: Great Debate About Frequency Of ET Life -

>From: Dennis Oliver <doliver.nul>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 22:36:33 -0800 (PST)
>Subject: Re: Great Debate About Frequency Of ET Life

>>From: Gildas Bourdais <bourdais.gildas.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 16:47:38 +0100
>>Subject: Re: Great Debate About Frequency Of ET Life

>>>From: Dennis Oliver <deo.nul>
>>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>>Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 19:57:32 -0800
>>>Subject: Re: Great Debate About Frequency Of ET Life

>>>Do the India-Sri Lanka causeway, Machu-Picchu, Baalbeck, the
>>>Sphinx, to name a few, constitute an approximate first answer
>>>to Gildas's question: Where are the traces? What meager
>>>resource of intellect and funding have gone into a serious
>>>co-ordinated search for the big picture?
>>>The big picture is buried under ash  and ocean.

>>Dennis, and List,

>>I suggest this thought experiment. Let's suppose that our
>>present civilization is going to collapse, sometime during the
>>next thousand years. Perhaps devastated by a nuclear war, or
>>vast cataclysms. What is the probability that all remains would
>>be buried and erased from the surface of Earth?

>>Remenber: today, there are all sorts of constructions, plants,
>>cities, etc., around the world, at all altitudes. What about
>>mere garbage? There are teams at  work to clean up Mount
>>Everest of heaps of garbage.

>>My personal answer is that, even after the most devastating
>>cataclysms, any visitor in a million years would not need to
>>dig deep to find ruins an remnants showing without a doubt our
>>present scientific and industrial development. What about the
>>huge underground accelerator at CERN, for instance? None of the
>>examples you give is of that kind.

>Raise the bar ;) No pre-historic super-colliders, alas, but I do
>not presume a previous civilization would necessarily require a
>myopic, wasteful, rapacious population of 6 billion to develop
>advanced technologies, as you imply in the thought experiment.

>I don't see any evidence that our current path of development
>is the only possible path: maybe it is, I just don't have the
>evidence of inevitability.


I see your point, but I stick to mine. I think that Isaac Newton
is the one who said that we are dwarfs on the shoulders of a

Well, the giant is the knowledge accumulated over millenaries.
Very slowly at the beginning, then slowly accelerating, and now
going fast. It has become possible only after the first
civilizations expanded into a vast world civilization. I don't
see how it could have happened any other way.

As for the idea that everything could be erased in a million
years or so, it seems to contradict all geological studies of
fossils, some of which are dated of hundred of millions of
years. And they give a pretty good picture of the evolution of
life on Earth, including the most recent stage, ourselves,
beginning about 150 000 years according to present estimates
(maybe accelerated by some outside help...). Yes, to imagine
another advanced civilization somewhere along that very long
history of life seems just higly improbable to me. There is no
short cut.


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