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Re: Cultural Taboos & Prejudices - Hall

From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99.nul>
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:45:08 +0000
Fwd Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 07:21:46 -0400
Subject: Re: Cultural Taboos & Prejudices - Hall

>From: Lan Fleming <lfleming6.nul>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 13:35:12 -0500
>Subject: Re: Cultural Taboos & Prejudices

>>From: Martin Shough <parcellular.nul>
>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 09:07:55 -0000
>>Subject: Cultural Taboos & Prejudices [was: UFO Photos The Future]

>>>From: Lan Fleming <lfleming6.nul>
>>>To: UFOUpdates <ufoupdates.nul>
>>>Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:44:22 -0500
>>>Subject: Re: UFO Photos The Future

>>>>From: Martin Shough <parcellular.nul>
>>>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>>>Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:52:21 -0000
>>>>Subject: Re: UFO Photos The Future - Shough


>>>>But it would be monstrous to conclude from a
>>>>perceived conflict between ambiguous UFO evidence and several
>>>>centuries of scientific method that the latter comes off worst
>>>>and is reduced in the encounter to a wreckage of arbitrary and
>>>>subjective prejudices. Let's keep a sense of proportion.

>>>As anyone familiar with the history of the Condon Report knows,
>>>when it comes to UFOs, the officially sanctioned 'science' is
>>>precisely that: a wreckage of arbitrary and subjective
>>>prejudices. Of course that's not true of subjects of inquiry
>>>generally accepted as legitimate, but the cultural taboos
>>>against UFO research are just too strong.

>>Of course the Condon Report was a flawed study of UFO reports.

>>That's very different from the claim made that the scientific
>>world-view and its methods of discovery are in an equivalence
>>class with fairy tales and any arbitrary belief system.

>Of course, it's not the scientific method at fault, it's the
>people who use it, or profess to use it.


Amen to this latter comment. Very interesting and important
discussion, and both of you gentlemen have made some excellent
points. I have observed both of you applying some good science
to UFOs.

I formally studied logic and scientific method, but am not a
practicing or formally credentialled scientist (unless you
define 'scientist' as someone regardless of profession who
actually applies logic and scientific method to problem

Dr. Donald H. Menzel and Dr. E.U. Condon were 'real' scientists,
and look at their outrageously unscientific utterances about
UFOs. Also Dr. Roy Craig, Dr. Urner Liddell, and many others
that could be named. I knew and interacted personally with both
Menzel and Condon. However, I also knew and was a close friend
of Jim McDonald, so I saw and experienced both extremes of
science/non-science as applied to UFOs.

 - Dick

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