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That's May-Gay-Hey [was: Former Arizona Governor

From: Alfred Lehmberg <alienview.nul>
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 07:10:40 -0500
Fwd Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 15:22:23 -0400
Subject: That's May-Gay-Hey [was: Former Arizona Governor

>From: Stan Friedman <fsphys.nul>
>To: <ufoupdates.nul>,
>Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 08:03:50 -0300
>Subject: Re: Former Arizona Governor Boosts UFO Claims

>>From: ufoupdates.nul
>>To: - UFO UpDates Subscribers -
>>Date: Saturday, March 24, 2007 7:27 AM
>>Subject: Former Arizona Governor Boosts UFO Claims

>>Source: MSNBC - USA


>>March 23, 2007

>>Former Arizona Governor Boosts UFO Claims

>>Ten years after 'Phoenix Lights', Symington says he was a witness


>>The lights, which appeared in a V shape on March 13, 1997, as
>>they moved across the sky, were widely explained as flares
>>dumped by a military training flight, though many still doubted
>>the government was telling all it knew.

>>Tucson astronomer and retired Air Force pilot James McGaha said
>>he investigated two sightings over Phoenix that March night and
>>traced them both A-10 aircraft flying in formation at high

>>"It was clearly aircraft in formation, flying at two different
>>times and then dropping flares and it's clear to any rational
>>person that's what it was", McGaha said.

>>McGaha said Symington "is not a trained observer and what he
>>feels in his gut doesn't make any difference."

>I should point out that I had a formal debate with McGaha at
>Middle Tennessee State University on January 28, 2004. The two
>hour video which includes my slides and his power point info is
>available from UFORI at my website via PayPal at:


>It is only $15 including S and H. from me at:

I'm glad I bought one...

Coal to Newcastle I know, but it compelled this outraged review, Sir,
remember too:


"...Which brings me, albeit the long way around, at last, to the
Friedman/McGaha debate at TSUM on January 24, 2004, or what may
come to be known as, The Day CSICOP Died...

The punk is lit, folks. The box of fireworks is opened. The fun

There is precious little hyperbole in the preceding and the
aforementioned debate is an _apt_ citation in strong support of
the ufological attitude change proclaimed at the beginning
[unprinted part] of this essay!

A "standing room only" crowd witnessed the complete and total
demolition of all of CSICOPia in the person of one (decidedly
less than intrepid) Mr. McGaha. Apparently Magaha is the only
person in all of CSICOPia willing to stand toe to toe with Mr.
Friedman in a controlled debate. The reader can witness the
rout, the carnage... on tape, herself, for a small (tres
reasonable!) fee. Goliath gets stomped, again, by David.

The plainly one-sided debate began with Mr. Friedman, his usual
faultless ufological rationality in full sail! He stuck to the
facts, outlined his justifications splendidly, and did one more
significant thing. He refrained from any gratuitous insult.

Mr. McGaha, quite simply, failed to perform in a, remotely,
similar fashion. His 'facts' were blustery proclamations, his
justifications were silly, specious, and unconvincing, and... he
was sneering thinly veiled insult from one end of his
unpracticed presentation to the other... not-so-lightly-
intimating that Mr. Friedman was a fool to be discounted out of

The reader will understand when I say it was perfectly obvious
who the fool really was, reader! The outrage!

Mr. McGaha paid (and will continue to pay, I suspect) heavily,
I'm sure, for his easy insolence and reflex disrespect. He was
rude, presumptuous, condescending, unclear, pedantic, arrogant,
patronizing, and not a little duplicitous... where Friedman was
the textbook opposite of these things, verily. Additionally,
McGaha was a case study of Friedman's Four Laws of Fraudulent
debunkery... To wit:

1) "What the public doesn't know, we certainly won't tell

A look of flawless innocence on his moon-like face, McGaha
resold the Robertson Panel and the Condon Report as straight-up
peer reviewed reports born of balanced science... instead of the
admitted torpedoes to serious ufology they were first designed
to be and then found as they actually were! Well documented,

There were more than a few of these anecdotes proffered by Mr.
McGaha... some of them real head-scratchers... He claimed, for
example, that the sheer volume of reports regarding different
UFO appearances was proof they didn't exist! All the
descriptions of UFOs should be the same to demonstrate the
remotest verity... McGaha expected us to believe... ?!?


2) "My mind is made up, don't bother me with the facts."

His nose thrown high in almost laughing and unjustified scorn...
he pontificated during one of his pompous verbal faux pas that
there was "...zero physical evidence of UFOs... PERIOD," and
this was after Mr. Friedman had just talked about what
constituted physical evidence, indicated some 5000 trace cases,
and showed some slides of same. What a feather-brained and
oblivious thing for Mr. McGaha to do and say. An example of the
"big lie" and cognitive dissonance in solicitous action...

3) "If one can't attack the data, attack the people. It is

A large portion of Mr. McGaha's presentation was taken up with
insult to those of us decidedly not in Mr. McGaha's camp,
deriding the abduction community, or dismissing the rest of
anyone else with an open mind - forgetting those thoroughly
convinced, like myself - as malingering "little" people trying
to connect to something "big"... patent misleaders, the
credulous mislead, or the weak-willed mentally ill!

Finally, dismissing the noted professor Dr. Peter Sturrock - a
trained scientist with more courage in a nail paring than can be
found in a gaggle of soppy pelicanists or pompous klasskurxians
- as a credulously thoughtless "believer"!  This was simply
infuriating. Sturrock is one of a hand-full of men and women
willing to be eye to eye with the deepest levels of our reality,
whatever the reality really is.

4) "Do ones research by proclamation rather than investigation."

I don't think Mr. McGaha answered one question asked of him that
evening, at all, that sparks didn't just fly like angry bees off
the CSICOPian axe he ground in the faux-answering of them!
Additionally, he was clear as churned mud with half of what he
said all evening, anyway - all of it airy proclamation of his
scientistic (sic) faith, bland misinformation, and pointless
ideological sabre-rattling.

Moreover, his overuse of the expression, "Period," was amateur,
ill-informed, and unconvincing. He used it like it was a
citation all its own when all it really was... was a
demonstration that he had no citation. "There are no UFOs...
(wait for it!) ...Period"!

Oh, OK... Mr. McGaha said, "Period"! Everyone turn in your tin-
foil hat and laser pointer post haste! We can at last disband
and go our separate ways"! Such is the verity and validity of
McGaha's citation: "Period"! Mmm-no... Reader! We're not idiots
to be shined on, children to be wrongly inculcated, marks easily
impressed with sonorous proclamation... mere workers to be mal-

Doing more harm to his denialist CSICOPian position than would
have been forecast, reader, Mr. McGaha's strutting patronization
pointed up only the paucity of his facts, his startling
ignorance regarding the topic he attempted to debate, his
reliance on fallacy and misdirection to make his point, and,
finally, his illumination of the certainty that the hallmark of
CSICOPia is 'reflexive thinking' in support of the 'suspect
status quo', and not 'reflective thinking' in support of the
'advancement of individual human efficacy'.

He and his knee-jerk reactionary institution are the fuel on the
fire of my rejection of same!

He allows me, nay, compels me, provokes me, tasks me to pull off
my gloves and be solicitous, no longer, of the specious
sensibilities of persons with a ready sneer, a complacent
ignorance, or a self-closed mind!

Why... McGaha's put me into a situation where I have to "start
scaring the straights," (to quote Bill Murray), too, and that's
regrettable... but, it's not me kicking the spokes out of their
cultural wheels, but that their 'spokes' were bad - or missing
altogether - to begin with! The emperor is nude, brothers and

Couple the preceding with the stark refusal of these same
persons to perceive that their 'emperor', or Mr. McGaha for that
matter, is decidedly without a stitch of cognitive clothing...
and a mandated shift in ufological attitude becomes more than

Shift where? Again, if it hasn't been clear.? That is, reader,
to shift from the apologetic and unsettled 'fringe' as a reviled
and dismissed "believer" (as purposefully degraded by Mr.
McGaha), to the brave and un-conflicted individual, comfortable
and confident that he/she holds the higher rational ground,
would do the purer, more courageous science (given tools and
fund-age), be more in line with where the mainstream should be,
and so should be the mainstream, in fact!

These 'new' mainstreamers alluded to can be secure in their more
supportable convictions regarding the 'reality of things' as it
pertains to the ufological and its peripheral ancillary
issues... based on a stunning mass of 'six kinds' of evidence
for same - anecdotal, photographic, historical/artistic,
physical, scientific, and personal!

Finally, it's seen that they discredit themselves the disrespect
they prosecute for _you_, reading truth-seeker! They disabuse,
themselves, the validity of the contempt they say they have for
you! It's them the enemies of reason, reader, not yourself. The
irony is rife!

Look up with a hard new eye! It's down to you, reader. It always
has been.

Unfounded and unsupported criticisms of canted and denying bias
from this 'former' mainstream remove it to the "real" fringe,
friends and neighbors, and the higher pressure open-minded move
in to supplant the resulting void! That's when we take off in
this new millennium, fellow motes, and not before! My

It is a new age. Prepare to live in it. There's no other choice.
The non-nuanced sub-realities of George W. Bush aren't remotely
enough if you think man lives by bread alone, sour gruel from a
grudging soup kitchen... I'd have a more satisfying board,

And? The kingdom is at hand remember. What lies at the
approaching denouement is heaven or hell, reader, is a
repudiation of soullessness and misogynous domination or a God
that has never known a woman. It is the discredit of a science
that sets itself as the final arbiter with regard to questions
on the reality of things... when it does not even do itself the
courtesy of following its own rules or adhering to its own

Step off! Don't debate definitions of science with ME, boyo!
I'll rip you a new one! Science is finally going to be...
what is accomplished in its name, the attitudes and
motivations of the men and women practicing it, and how the past
is bowdlerized to facilitate the fallacies of the mal-contrived
future! You know a tree by its fruit after all, reader, right?

Oh, and pleasantly surprise both of us and try to do something
more than railing at me for reminding you of the just preceding,
with my thanks. Regardless, I'll give as good as I get.
Sincerity, examined faith, and supported conviction are my
protectors and impervious to darts, sticks, and stones.

Lead... follow... but get out of my way. If you're getting this?
Buckle up.

To close: Buy the Friedman/McGaha debate tape by contacting
Stanton Friedman at:


I'd wager Mr. McGaha won't be providing them.

Read on.

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