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Re: UK Channel Island UFOs May Have Been Military?

From: Brian Ally <ufoupdates.nul>
Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 23:55:02 -0400
Fwd Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 07:56:39 -0400
Subject: Re: UK Channel Island UFOs May Have Been Military?

>From: Don Ledger <dledger.nul>
>To:  ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 15:00:45 -0300
>Subject: Re: UK Channel Island UFOs May Have Been Military?

>This fellow made it a point to be heard and offered up his
>opinion. He probably called it in to reporter Joel de Woolfson
>which I find interesting. As ridiculous as his statements seem
>they are pilot against pilot and without this pilot having been
>there himself, offers up an amateurish interpretation of which
>even he himself should have reservations. Kneejerk as it was
>that will satisfy most of the public who know diddly squat about
>aviation. In fact his comments play upon their profound
>ignorance of it.

People offer up their opinions all the time, though. Everyone
who posts to this List does, for that matter. I guess my
comments were in reponse to my perception that your reaction was
that this guy had an agenda to discredit the witness. That
wasn't my take at all. Rather, it just seemed like one guy's
opinion. We have to remember that what a journalist chooses to
print is their subjective choice, also.

>1] Who's secret military aircraft was it that was somewhere
>between a half mile and one mile long and hundreds of feet
>thick. If French made then does that mean we can now bow to
>France as the aviation leader instead of the United States.
>France actually runs second [or did in 2006] in sale of aviation
>technology and aircraft to the US's number one position by a
>slim margin. Was it from the UK?. Same question applies.

>2] If it wasn't French or British [German or Swedish even] and
>was American in construction why would they risk detection
>getting it all of the way from the deserts of Nevada to some
>small islands off the coast of France just to test it over water
>there and in a busy airway. What's wrong with the Pacific Ocean
>only a few hundred miles to the west of the Nevada test sites?
>3] Staying with the American built scenario, why are they
>spending the money to invent this thing when they have already
>spent nearly a billion dollars reinventing the blimp as recently
>as last fall.

Well, yeah, I can agree with you on all of that. I've made
similar arguments in the past.

>You know, some common sense has to apply. This pilot should have
>known better. He has to know about lift and drag coefficients,
>weight to structure ratios [the same as any pilot does] and
>probably even a little about gas volumes verses envelope weights
>and how that comes into play in balloons. At a certain point the
>envelope that has to be strong enough [thick enough] to contain
>the helium at pressure becomes so heavy that it becomes a
>detriment and won't lift off the ground, never mind the payload
>it is built to carry.

>If aeronautical engineers can build a 1,000 foot long LTA craft
>then they can build one 5,000 feet long, so why don't
>they... because of the weight to volumn problem andf the problem
>of keeping the shape of the thing so it can be pushed through
>the air before the flat-plate drag effect comes into play and
>the weight of engines powerful enough [plus the fuel to run
>them] to overcome the huge structure's natural "sail" area to
>the slightest wind.

Heh. You've brought back memories of John McPhee's excellent
book, The Deltoid Pumpkin Seed.

>Had he been there that pilot probably would not have made the
>statement he did in the press. Instead he would have been asking
>how the hell something that big could get off the ground with
>present day technology?

Well, that's just the thing: if the first pilot's description
was accurate, the object was truly a very extraordinary sight.
It's not unreasonable for non-witnesses to be unwilling to
entertain such phenomena. As open as I am to the notion of
extraterrestrial craft visiting Earth, I simply cannot blame
others for not being able to quite "go there", if you will.


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