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Re: Just A Few Roswell Questions - Rudiak

From: David Rudiak <drudiak.nul>
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 10:40:10 -0700
Fwd Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 07:06:57 -0400
Subject: Re: Just A Few Roswell Questions - Rudiak

>From: Ed Gehrman <egehrman.nul>
>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 14:11:04 -0700
>Subject: Re: Just A Few Roswell Questions

>>From: Neil Morris <neil.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 10:58:41 +0100
>>Subject: Re: Just A Few Roswell Questions

>>>From: David Rudiak <drudiak.nul>
>>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>>Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 11:09:40 -0700
>>>Subject: Re: Just A Few Roswell Questions

>>>mysterious crate to Fort Worth had a flight time of 1 hour 55
>>>minutes). Then Marcel had to get from the B-29 to Ramey's
>>>office. (Robert Porter on the plane with Marcel said a guard was
>>>posted before they were allowed to leave.) Ramey wasn't in his
>>>office at first, said Marcel. When Ramey returned he showed
>>>Ramey some of the samples (laying them out on Ramey's desk, not
>>>the floor), then he and Ramey went to the map room before
>>>returning to Ramey's office. That's when the balloon switch
>>>occurred. The photos were taken afterwards. Thus we are talking
>>>probably around 2-1/2 hours to the photo session from Marcel's
>>>departure time from Roswell. If Shirkey was right about the
>>>time, the photos would likely have been taken around 5:30.

>>>Even if we push back Shirkey's time an hour, it would have been
>>>4:30, or at least at hour after Johnson's imaginary pre-Roswell
>>>story photo shoot.

>>Please note that from our investigation into the complexities of
>>the adoption of Daylight Saving time in the US, back in the 40's
>>we also discovered that the US military _adopted_ and used DST
>>_whatever_ the use of DST was in the local area. This of course
>>could now totally confuse and muddy the timeline waters, _which_
>>times are actually being reported?. Military times will be DST
>>but civilian times reported will _not_ as NM and TX did not use
>>DST but the bases there would have.


>You mention Master Sergeant Robert Porter but fail to include
>his most important testimony. First, he's the only person, out
>of all the Roswell witnesses who describes the packages we can
>see on Ramey's office floor: Porter swore he loaded the B-29
>with "the material wrapped in packages with wrapping paper...
>triangle shaped, about 2 1/2 feet across the bottom. The rest
>were in small packages about the size of a shoe box. The brown
>paper was held with tape... extremely light weight... like
>picking up an empty package... could have fit into the trunk
>of a car."

There is again the assumption here that the balloon debris on
Ramey's floor is what was recovered at the Foster Ranch and
brought to Fort Worth. Porter didn't have X-ray vision. He
didn't know what was in the wrapped packages, but was told it
was from a flying saucer and was quite certain it wasn't from a
balloon (though didn't say why he thought this). Porter
affidavit at:


There is also one small, round unwrapped package lying behind
the middle chair in the Ramey & Ramey/Dubose photos, but moved
against the radiator in the Marcel & Newton photos. My guess is
that this one one of Porter's described "shoebox" size wrapped

Some important points:

* Dennis Balthaser has made the interesting observation that the
brown paper rolled out on Ramey's rug isn't crinkled (nor has
any tape attached). In other words, it was fresh paper rolled
out for display, not debris wrapping paper as is usually

* Marcel in his last interview with Linda Corley said they hid
the "real" debris and they weren't so stupid as to show it to

* Nobody associated any smell with the debris, including Porter,
until Fort Worth. That's when Bond Johnson said the balloon
stunk up Ramey's office and he was surprised it would be there
instead of in some salvage yard. These decaying neoprene
balloons have a strong, pungent smell, and therefore I think it
noteable that no one commented on this before Fort Worth. Smells
like this tend to stick in your mind.

I suppose it is possible they also brought in a shill weather
balloon in addition to the debris from the Foster Ranch. That
way they could kill two birds with one stone. But when speaking
of "real" Roswell debris, we mean the stuff recovered from the
Foster Ranch.

>I agree he made sure that a guard was posted,

Colonel Jennings, the pilot and acting Roswell base commander,
made sure a guard was posted, not Porter. (The fact that the
acting base commander personally served as the pilot is a good
demonstration of the extreme importance attached to the flight.)

>after which, "he could eat lunch" and then mentions coming
>back from lunch. He didn't describe it as breakfast or dinner
>or supper, but lunch.

>Lunch in the Army doesn't usually happen later than two o'clock.
>So if Porter went to and came back from "lunch" then it was much
>earlier that 4:30 or 5:00 PM. when they arrived in FW.

"Lunch" to Porter could have meant nothing more than the lunch
they missed in Roswell as they prepped the B-29 for flight to
Fort Worth.

David Rudiak

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