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Re: Just A Few Roswell Questions - Gehrman

From: Ed Gehrman <egehrman.nul>
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 13:23:34 -0700
Fwd Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 08:37:19 -0400
Subject: Re: Just A Few Roswell Questions - Gehrman

>From: David Rudiak <drudiak.nul>
>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 10:40:10 -0700
>Subject: Re: Just A Few Roswell Questions

>>From: Ed Gehrman <egehrman.nul>
>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 14:11:04 -0700
>>Subject: Re: Just A Few Roswell Questions


>>You mention Master Sergeant Robert Porter but fail to include
>>his most important testimony. First, he's the only person, out
>>of all the Roswell witnesses who describes the packages we can
>>see on Ramey's office floor: Porter swore he loaded the B-29
>>with "the material wrapped in packages with wrapping paper...
>>triangle shaped, about 2 1/2 feet across the bottom. The rest
>>were in small packages about the size of a shoe box. The brown
>>paper was held with tape... extremely light weight... like
>>picking up an empty package... could have fit into the trunk
>>of a car."

>There is again the assumption here that the balloon debris on
>Ramey's floor is what was recovered at the Foster Ranch and
>brought to Fort Worth.


No! There isn't an assumption. We know from Porter's testimony
that he carried packages very similar to those seen on Ramey's
floor onto the plane headed to FW. Since these packages were
loaded on the plane in Roswell, we can assume that they had
something to do with the debris found on the Foster ranch but we
have no way of knowing that this is the true debris. I think
these packages were prepared by Army intelligence and were meant
to resemble Mack's revised testimony where he mentions balsa
like sticks and paper foil.

They were not prepared by Marcel. I think the packages consisted
of a torn radar reflector of some kind, not necessarily an
ML307, a weather balloon and some of the real Roswell debris.

>Porter didn't have X-ray vision. He
>didn't know what was in the wrapped packages, but was told it
>was from a flying saucer and was quite certain it wasn't from a
>balloon (though didn't say why he thought this). Porter
>affidavit at:


>There is also one small, round unwrapped package lying behind
>the middle chair in the Ramey & Ramey/Dubose photos, but moved
>against the radiator in the Marcel & Newton photos. My guess is
>that this one one of Porter's described "shoebox" size wrapped

Yes, I agree.

>Some important points:

>* Dennis Balthaser has made the interesting observation that the
>brown paper rolled out on Ramey's rug isn't crinkled (nor has
>any tape attached). In other words, it was fresh paper rolled
>out for display, not debris wrapping paper as is usually

I disagree. This paper can be folded in a way so it wouldn't
crease too much, besides, we don't see enough of the paper to
make a decision one way or the other, and I can see creases.
Look at the Bettmann copy.

>* Marcel in his last interview with Linda Corley said they hid
>the "real" debris and they weren't so stupid as to show it to

I agree, they hid the real debris but only after the Ramey photos.

>* Nobody associated any smell with the debris, including Porter,
>until Fort Worth. That's when Bond Johnson said the balloon
>stunk up Ramey's office and he was surprised it would be there
>instead of in some salvage yard. These decaying neoprene
>balloons have a strong, pungent smell, and therefore I think it
>noteable that no one commented on this before Fort Worth. Smells
>like this tend to stick in your mind.

>I suppose it is possible they also brought in a shill weather
>balloon in addition to the debris from the Foster Ranch. That
>way they could kill two birds with one stone. But when speaking
>of "real" Roswell debris, we mean the stuff recovered from the
>Foster Ranch.

Yes they brought a mixture.

>>I agree he made sure that a guard was posted,

>Colonel Jennings, the pilot and acting Roswell base commander,
>made sure a guard was posted, not Porter.

Not the way I read this: "...Jennings told us to take care of
the maintained of the plane and that after a guard was posted,
we could eat lunch.

>(The fact that the
>acting base commander personally served as the pilot is a good
>demonstration of the extreme importance attached to the flight.)

>>after which, "he could eat lunch" and then mentions coming
>>back from lunch. He didn't describe it as breakfast or dinner
>>or supper, but lunch.

>>Lunch in the Army doesn't usually happen later than two o'clock.
>>So if Porter went to and came back from "lunch" then it was much
>>earlier that 4:30 or 5:00 PM. when they arrived in FW.

>"Lunch" to Porter could have meant nothing more than the lunch
>they missed in Roswell as they prepped the B-29 for flight to
>Fort Worth.

I don't think that was the way it was in the Army. You didn't
miss lunch. A meal missed could never be made up. If the plane
left at 2:00 PM then Porter would have had lunch already and be
ready for dinner or supper at FW.


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