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Re: Ancient Craft Left On Moon? - Ally

From: Brian Ally <ufoupdates.nul>
Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 02:01:48 -0400
Fwd Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 08:51:04 -0400
Subject: Re: Ancient Craft Left On Moon? - Ally

>From: Terry Groff <terrygroff.nul>
>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 10:10:08 -0500
>Subject: Re: Ancient Craft Left On Moon?

>>From: Brian Ally <ufoupdates.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 12:02:00 -0400
>>Subject: Re: Ancient Craft Left On Moon?

>>Terry, that's illogical. If the video was fabricated, the
>>appearance of the 'object' is a moot point. Given that there was
>>no 20th Apollo mission, it certainly appears that that is the
>>case. I thought it was cute, at best.

>What is illogical about illustrating that the object, regardless
>of whether it is real or fabricated, is _not_ a rock as Dick
>suggested. That's all my post was intended to do. There's no
>need to read anything else in to it.

Terry, my apologies for the delay - been away.

What was illogical was suggesting that these images - that may
be "real or fabricated" - should be given any credit at all
simply because there is "way too much symmetry". If it's fake,
what does it matter how 'detailed' the anomally appears? If it's
a hoax (and I think it is) why _wouldn't_ the faker create a
model based on the apparent symmetry shown in the apollo images
published by NASA?

The screencaps you posted are of the very portion of the video
that lacks any reliable provenance. So what if it's symmetrical?
It may be a model based on a fuzzy anomally[1] found in an
Apollo photograph. That it does not appear to be a rock is
inconsequential. If it's a fake, that's completely unsurprising.

But, anyway, let's examine the possibility that the 'zoomed-in'
portion is legit. The Apollo Image Atlas photo[2] was made from
117 km above the surface using a lens with a 24 inch focal
length. The video shows what apears to be the lunar surface as
seen from orbit. We see more detail than in the NASA image so,
presumably, a lens with a longer focal length was used. So far,
so good.

Then we see a (very odd) transition to an even closer view. So
we must assume that an even longer lens was being used. At
first, i thought this was meant to be video shot from the
surface but noticed the transcript during the groovy transition:

"Vandenberg Twenty, roger, I'm focusing on telephoto lens now."

So, presumably, this next sequence was shot from the orbiting
spacecraft. But it just doesn't look right at all: the camera
shake is all wrong. This appears to be shot at a *very* close
range. There's no way - from 117km up - that normal, hand-held
shaking would keep the anomally anywhere inside of the frame.
Even if this thing is the size of Manhattan[3] i don't think it
would stay in frame. It appears to me that the subject is a
model filmed from several metres away.

In any case, i think the notion that the US and the Soviet Union
conspired to send joint missions to the moon in secrecy is


[1] Yes, the NASA photograph *is* quite interesting. It's the
video that I found - to be charitable - unimpressive.

[2] http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/frame/?AS15-P-9630

[3] I haven't tried to work it out. If anyone has, I'd be

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