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Re: The Secrets Of Fatima - Fernandes

From: Joaquim Fernandes <j.fernan.nul>
Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 18:34:32 +0100
Fwd Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 10:02:13 -0400
Subject: Re: The Secrets Of Fatima - Fernandes


>From: Sheryl Gottschall <gottscha.nul>
>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 10:00:54 +1000
>Subject: Re: The Secrets Of Fatima

>>From: Joaquim Fernandes <j.fernan.nul>
>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 17:08:27 +0100
>>Subject: Re: The Secrets Of Fatima

>>About the Fatima 1917 Apparitions

>>I read with interest Nigel Watson's review of our Fatima
>>research and, as co-author of those two books translated into
>>English At EcceNova Edtions, I thank him for reading our
>>reaserch.

>Joaquim,

>For what it's worth I read your book and found it deeply thought
>provoking. What struck me most was the children's description of
>Our Lady and how it was disimilar to the established religious
>images grounded in the culture of the day. The childrens
>description of her as 1.1 metres tall with black eyes is in
>complete opposition to the deeply entrenched religious culture
>of the time.

>I was also impressed by the curious reports accompanying the
>arrival and departure of the being such as humming, the sound of
>rockets, booms of thunder, roaring in the air, swishing sounds,
>buzzing like bees and flashes of lightning, heard by many
>witnesses again and again.

>The various descriptions of the final sighting at Fatima are
>also intriguing.

>There were strange clouds that contained peculiar flashes, a
>disk with a distinct and lovely border, luminous and lucent; a
>dull silver disk but more luminous than the Moon; a polished
>wedge as if it had been cut from a nacre of a conch shell; a
>disk of polished glass; a metallic disk as if of silver; a disk
>of steamed up crystal that had been illuminated from behind, a
>disk of opaque glass.All very specific and difficult to
>misinterpret as the sun.

>Over 60,000 people witnessed the last sighting at Fatima which
>was accompanied by a range of other anomalous events, yet the
>bizarre concensus remains that these were ordinary events
>misinterpreted. How ludicrous, condescending and narrow.

>As Vallee states in the foreword, for those who neither choose
>the religious interpretation of these events or the skeptical
>scientific path, many important questions remain. Vallee also
>states that if "detachment and critical analysis of this
>difficult material" is practised it will do much to drive
>genuine research forward. I wholeheartedly agree.

>Thank you for writing this book.


Sheryl,

I agree. The original children=B4s description made by Lucia dos
Santos was so "unortodox" to the Catholic authorities that the
current VM image one can see at the Fatima Sanctuary was based
and designed according a previous image cult of Nossa Senhora da
Lapa!

Among such "iconographic deviations" Lucia's first report told
that the "luminous lady" had a luminous BALL between her hands.
This ball was easily transformed in the Lady's Sacred Heart.
Fantastic topic for cultural studies, is'nt it?

The manipulation of the alleged Secret text is also well
established in the comparative study of the documents through
the years.

The Jesuits confessors ordered Lucia dos Santos to write
_another_ text after having read her first draft. It was the
first step for the current "Secret" with their parts. We know
that Lucia first reprted that the Secret was only a few words.
It seems that it grew in the 1942 late memories of the seer...
The reference to Russia is a late Jesuit incorporation,
justified in the context of the growing importance of the USSR
in that period.

The 1917 context - and the weakness and absence of science at
that time - made Fatima was a great case of well succeded
colective rumor which deserves a continuous progress study.  

Thank you for your remarks.


Joaquim Fernandes



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