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Re: Just A Few Roswell Questions - Rudiak

From: David Rudiak <drudiak.nul>
Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 11:04:43 -0700
Fwd Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 10:06:03 -0400
Subject: Re: Just A Few Roswell Questions - Rudiak

>From: Ed Gehrman <egehrman.nul>
>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 13:23:34 -0700
>Subject: Re: Just A Few Roswell Questions

>>From: David Rudiak <drudiak.nul>
>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 10:40:10 -0700
>>Subject: Re: Just A Few Roswell Questions

>>>From: Ed Gehrman <egehrman.nul>
>>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>>Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 14:11:04 -0700
>>>Subject: Re: Just A Few Roswell Questions


>>>You mention Master Sergeant Robert Porter but fail to include
>>>his most important testimony. First, he's the only person, out
>>>of all the Roswell witnesses who describes the packages we can
>>>see on Ramey's office floor: Porter swore he loaded the B-29
>>>with "the material wrapped in packages with wrapping paper...
>>>triangle shaped, about 2 1/2 feet across the bottom. The rest
>>>were in small packages about the size of a shoe box. The
>>>paper was held with tape... extremely light weight... like
>>>picking up an empty package... could have fit into the trunk
>>>of a car."

>>There is again the assumption here that the balloon debris on
>>Ramey's floor is what was recovered at the Foster Ranch and
>>brought to Fort Worth.

>No! There isn't an assumption. We know from Porter's testimony
>that he carried packages very similar to those seen on Ramey's
>floor onto the plane headed to FW. Since these packages were
>loaded on the plane in Roswell, we can assume that they had
>something to do with the debris found on the Foster ranch but
>we have no way of knowing that this is the true debris. I think
>these packages were prepared by Army intelligence and were meant
>to resemble Mack's revised testimony where he mentions balsa
>like sticks and paper foil.

>They were not prepared by Marcel. I think the packages consisted
>of a torn radar reflector of some kind, not necessarily an
>ML307, a weather balloon and some of the real Roswell debris.

It is possible that they brought the balloon/target from
Roswell. However, it would be totally idiotic for them to mix
the balloon debris with the "real" debris from the Foster Ranch.
If there was a coverup, then the whole point of the photo
session in Fort Worth would be to show the press what _wasn't_
recovered. Yet that seems to be the contention of the RPIT

And BTW, it is an ML307 target in shape and dimensions. It had
the very distinctive triangular panels. The other radar target
of the time, the ML306, had rectangular panels and a rectangular
overall shape. Pictures of it can be seen in "The Roswell
Incident," and also over on my website:


>>Porter didn't have X-ray vision. He
>>didn't know what was in the wrapped packages, but was told it
>>was from a flying saucer and was quite certain it wasn't from
>>a balloon (though didn't say why he thought this). Porter
>>affidavit at:


>>There is also one small, round unwrapped package lying behind
>>the middle chair in the Ramey & Ramey/Dubose photos, but moved
>>against the radiator in the Marcel & Newton photos. My guess >is
>>that this one one of Porter's described "shoebox" size wrapped

>Yes, I agree.

>>Some important points:

>>* Dennis Balthaser has made the interesting observation that the
>>brown paper rolled out on Ramey's rug isn't crinkled (nor has
>>any tape attached). In other words, it was fresh paper rolled
>>out for display, not debris wrapping paper as is usually

>I disagree. This paper can be folded in a way so it wouldn't
>crease too much, besides, we don't see enough of the paper to
>make a decision one way or the other, and I can see creases.
>Look at the Bettmann copy.

The paper should be crumpled around the edges and have tape
still attached or tears where it has been torn away upon
opening. It doesn't. This is fresh paper from a roll that's been
laid out on the floor so that the radar target debris can be
dumped on top of it.

>>* Marcel in his last interview with Linda Corley said they hid
>>the "real" debris and they weren't so stupid as to show it to

>I agree, they hid the real debris but only after the Ramey

Bunk! So your claim is that after carelessly mixing "real"
debris with radar target debris for the Ramey photos, they had
an "Oops" moment, then carefully picked out the "real" debris
for the subsequent Marcel and Newton photos?

This is another of the ridiculous "sanitizing" claims. The same
radar target debris is present in all the photos and there has
been nothing removed after the Ramey photos. I defy you to point
out a single piece of your so-called real debris in the Ramey
photos that isn't also present in the Marcel/Newton photos.

>>* Nobody associated any smell with the debris, including Porter,
>>until Fort Worth. That's when Bond Johnson said the balloon
>>stunk up Ramey's office and he was surprised it would be there
>>instead of in some salvage yard. These decaying neoprene
>>balloons have a strong, pungent smell, and therefore I think
>>it noteable that no one commented on this before Fort Worth.
>>Smells like this tend to stick in your mind.

>>I suppose it is possible they also brought in a shill weather
>>balloon in addition to the debris from the Foster Ranch. That
>>way they could kill two birds with one stone. But when speaking
>>of "real" Roswell debris, we mean the stuff recovered from the
>>Foster Ranch.

>Yes they brought a mixture.

Only if they were drooling idiots. You go through all that
trouble to bring fake debris for press consumption, then
carelessly mix in the top secret "real" debris? Yeah, right!

>>>I agree he made sure that a guard was posted,

>>Colonel Jennings, the pilot and acting Roswell base commander,
>>made sure a guard was posted, not Porter.

>Not the way I read this: "...Jennings told us to take care of
>the maintained of the plane and that after a guard was posted,
>we could eat lunch.

Get real. _Sergeant_ Porter would not have the authority or
means to have a guard posted. _Lieutenant Colonel_ Jennings

>>(The fact that the
>>acting base commander personally served as the pilot is a good
>>demonstration of the extreme importance attached to the

>>>after which, "he could eat lunch" and then mentions coming
>>>back from lunch. He didn't describe it as breakfast or dinner
>>>or supper, but lunch.

>>>Lunch in the Army doesn't usually happen later than two o'clock.
>>>So if Porter went to and came back from "lunch" then it was
>>>much earlier that 4:30 or 5:00 PM. when they arrived in FW.

>>"Lunch" to Porter could have meant nothing more than the lunch
>>they missed in Roswell as they prepped the B-29 for flight to
>>Fort Worth.

>I don't think that was the way it was in the Army. You didn't
>miss lunch. A meal missed could never be made up. If the plane
>left at 2:00 PM then Porter would have had lunch already and
>be ready for dinner or supper at FW.

It takes a lot of time to prep a B-29 for flight. The crew could
easily have missed a regular lunch in Roswell while they were
doing it, then made up for it when they got to Fort Worth. I
leave it to you, Ed, to play word games as to whether Porter
could properly call such a missed meal "lunch" later in the

Even if we push the clock back two hours, as the RPIT group has
been trying to do, so that J. Bond Johnson could have his photo
shoot at around 3:15, before there even was a story, that would
still make Porter's "lunch" around 3:00 p.m. Do they serve
either "lunch" or "dinner" in the Army at three in the

Either scenario was not a regular "lunch" time. I think Porter
was either referring to a missed lunch meal or simply confused
dinner with lunch.

David Rudiak

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