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Re: U.S. Department Of Defense On UFOs - Tarbell

From: Michael Tarbell <mtarbell.nul>
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 11:42:34 -0600
Fwd Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 08:26:35 -0400
Subject: Re: U.S. Department Of Defense On UFOs - Tarbell

>From: Martin Shough <parcellular.nul>
>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 14:10:47 +0100
>Subject: Re: U.S. Department Of Defense On UFOs

>>From: Don Ledger <dledger.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 01:46:32 -0300
>>Subject: Re: U.S. Department Of Defense On UFOs


>One can always make that argument that if the objects reported
>by Arnold *did* strongly resemble the Horten wings in shape (and
>I suppose nobody can argue with that - they did), and if there
>was some chance that Horten designs might have been flown in the
>US in June 1947, then probability favours the conclusion that
>Arnold must have misjudged the speed/distance of unfamiliar
>aeroforms by a factor 3 or something. But that depends on it
>being likely that Horten designs were in use in the US at that


>Don't forget whilst focusing on the Hortens that Jack Northrop in
>the US had been building and demonstrating flying wings since
>1929! He was contracted to develop long range flying wing
>bombers by the US Army Air Corps in 1941 and the XB-35 first
>flew on June 25 1946 - almost exactly a year before the Arnold
>sighting. The US poured huge money into this, going 4x over
>budget, but still the programme was blighted with problems and
>11 production aircraft were left unfinished and unflown when the
>design evolved into the YB-49 jet-pwered wing in summer 1948.
>But this too had unresolvable problems with stability and proved
>hopeless for its designed strike role, so the AF poured another
>$88 million into a redesigned reconnaissance version, the YRB-
>49. They ordered 30 of these, but again the thing was a flop
>and petered out in 1949. The one flying version was finally
>airborne in 1950 and flown as far as its graveyard in

>If there was a secret underground programme of successful jet
>Hortens flying in numbers before June 1947 then a heck of a lot
>of money and effort was wasted om Northrop.

Quite. And if such a black program were underway in 1947, you
can be sure that Northrop would have been the prime contractor.
For better or worse, Northrop's work was the U.S. state of the
art in flying wing design (and still is, for that matter).

As it happens, my father had a prominent role in the B-2
program, particularly with regard to flight test engineering. I
haven't pressed him on the details, but it obviously continued
to be a problematic design concept. Indeed, without continuous
on-board computer monitoring and intervention, it probably
couldn't fly at all (he described it, quite seriously, as
unstable on all three axes). To be fair, some of this is
attributable to the 'stealth' constraints on the geometry,
rather than the flying wing design per se.

I am quite unable to believe that the U.S. had a near-supersonic
flying wing aircraft that was stable and maneuverable *without*
computer assistance in 1947. And if we had, surely that
technology would have been employed in the subsequent 60 years
of DoD development programs, both public and black.

An historical aside: at the very time of the Kenneth Arnold and
Roswell incidents, Walter Horton was corresponding with Jack
Northrop regarding employment in the U.S. to support the flying
wing program.


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