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Re: More MoD UFO Information - Shough

From: Martin Shough <parcellular.nul>
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 15:37:10 +0100
Fwd Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 10:09:39 -0400
Subject: Re: More MoD UFO Information - Shough

>From: Nick Pope <nick.nul>
>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 15:55:41 +0100
>Subject: Re: More MoD UFO Information

>>From: Don Ledger <dledger.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 14:39:53 -0300
>>Subject: Re: More MoD UFO Information


>>Just finished looking at the PDF report on the Channel Islands
>>case. As you say the MOD sloughed it off on France. Did anyone
>>request an FOI re communications with the French civil Aviation
>>Authority or their military defence authority about this
>>possibilty of an airspace violation. Who submitted this most
>>recent request?

>I'm not sure. People like Steve Johnson at UFO DATA Magazine and
>Chris Rolfe from UFO Monitors East Kent have been doing a lot >of
>work on the recent F-15 encounter and I think they may be
>researching this one too.

I think a number of people submitted MoD requests. I did myself,
asking for the original pilot report referenced in the CAA
Mandatory Occurrence Report together with documents and
materials relating to any other aircrew, ATC or radar facility
involvement. I have received no personal response. Instead the
documents were uploaded, so perhaps my request is considered as
part of a "class action" and now redundant in practice (although
I doubt the strict legality of doing this).

A French member of the ufology-in-UK List has offered to
translate and deliver inquiries to the appropriate French
authorities. I think this may be being followed up.

>Here are two quotes from the MoD's April 30 email that I find

>"We had no reports from the French that the object was seen or
>detected on radar". But did they _ask_?

I seriously doubt it.

>"We believe the ATC radar at Jersey is secondary only and
>therefore unable to achieve a primary radar contact". We
>_believe_? Didn't they check?

Clearly not. Capt Bowyer's report expliciitly states that he was
informed by Jersey ATC of a primary radar contact. And if you
read the Jersey Air Traffic Controller's report this is
expliciutly confirmed. The controller also describes this
contact as possible "anaprop" - secondary radar obviously
doesn't "see" anomalous propagation echoes, only transponders.
So not only did they not check with Jersey they didn't read
their own file.

Martin Shough

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