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Re: Phoenix March 13 2007??

From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac.nul>
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 19:15:14 -0500
Archived: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 08:42:22 -0500
Subject: Re: Phoenix March 13 2007??


>From: Martin Shough <parcellular.nul>
>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 23:13:57 -0000
>Subject: Re: Phoenix March 13 2007??

>>From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac.nul>
>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 14:22:17 -0500
>>Subject: Re: Phoenix March 13 2007?? [was: Larry King Live...]

>>From: Martin Shough <parcellular.nul>
>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 17:47:23 -0000
>>Subject: Phoenix March 13 2007?? [was: Larry King Live...]

big snip

>>>>I have been informed that the view southwestward from his house
>>>>where he was when he saw the triangle view of the "lights" would
>>>>have made it impossible for him to see the "lights" at 10 PM.

>>>This is the sort of thing I'd like to know more about. Is there
>>>a definitive study you could recommend that goes into lines of
>>>sight and other issues in sufficient detail to make a cast iron
>>>case for a distinct 8:30 UFO (or flap of multiple UFOs)?

>>"The definitive study" of the 10 PM videos, but not the 8:30 PM
>>triangle, is posted at my web site:

>>www.brumac.8k.com/phoenixlights1.html

>And I think you've done an exemplary job.

>>I have not investigated the 8:30 event, I have only read about
>>it. The difference here is, I actually talked face to face with
>>the videotapers and went to their respective houses (Krzysten,
>>Kitei and Rairdon). I did speak to an Air Force Col (I was told)
>>who did see the 8:30 triangle and said he was dumbfounded (or
>>words to that effect) as this thing passed silently overhead.

>I must say, I wish you had been able to investigate the rest,
>with your usual thoroughness. I'd have more confidence in the
>case if you had, though I do agree it's on the face of it still
>very intriguing.

I'd like to point out one thing about the videotapers that is
generally not known: Kitei and Krzysten had seen lights in the
sky that appeared to them to be over Phoenix (their sighting
lines passed over Phoenix) quite a few times before March 13.

They believed that they were seeing unusual lights and had
videotaped (and Kitei photographed, as well) these lights. So
the reason that Kitei and Krzysten had their cameras available
was these previous sightings... they were always waiting for the
next sighting.

Not so for the viewers of the overhead triangle.

They, one presumes, were caught off guard so to speak. At the
very least, they did not have previous triangle sightings that
would give them an incentive to have their cameras ready in case
of another one.

Krzysten expressed this effect on him of having previous
sightings and videos when he said something like "We've got 'em
this time" - not an exact quote of a statement made while he
vieotaped the 'krzysten arc'.

So, I am disapppointed that no one got a triangle video, but I
am not overly surprised.

In the previous message I mentioned an Air Force Colonel I
talked to who saw the triangle and was flabbergasted -
gobsmacked!

Now I have spoken to another witness of the triangle:

Fife Symington!

Thanks to my attendance at the press conference today (Nov. 12)
I was able to talk to him for a short time He apparently didn't
realize there was a time gap between the videotaped 'lights' at
10 PM and his sighting. But he was adamant that he didn't see
flares. So I filled him in on the timing difference. But then I
asked him a question about the triangle he saw: could he
describe them?

He said there were indistinct lights associated with the object,
not "sharp" like lights you ordinarily see at night. In his
prepared comments, he wrote that they were "enormous lights" on
a "solid structure" with a "very distinctive leading' edge." He
described it as a "silent", "delta-shaped craft".


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