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Re: Phoenix March 13 2007??

From: Martin Shough <parcellular.nul>
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 14:37:21 -0000
Archived: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 07:04:56 -0500
Subject: Re: Phoenix March 13 2007??


>From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac.nul>
>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 19:15:14 -0500
>Subject: Re: Phoenix March 13 2007??

>>From: Martin Shough <parcellular.nul>
>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 23:13:57 -0000
>>Subject: Re: Phoenix March 13 2007??

<snip>

>>I must say, I wish you had been able to investigate the rest,
>>with your usual thoroughness. I'd have more confidence in the
>>case if you had, though I do agree it's on the face of it still
>>very intriguing.

>I'd like to point out one thing about the videotapers that is
>generally not known: Kitei and Krzysten had seen lights in the
>sky that appeared to them to be over Phoenix (their sighting
>lines passed over Phoenix) quite a few times before March 13.

>They believed that they were seeing unusual lights and had
>videotaped (and Kitei photographed, as well) these lights. So
>the reason that Kitei and Krzysten had their cameras available
>was these previous sightings... they were always waiting for
>the next sighting.

>Not so for the viewers of the overhead triangle.

>They, one presumes, were caught off guard so to speak. At the
>very least, they did not have previous triangle sightings that
>would give them an incentive to have their cameras ready in
>case of another one.

>Krzysten expressed this effect on him of having previous
>sightings and videos when he said something like "We've got 'em
>this time" - not an exact quote of a statement made while he
>vieotaped the 'krzysten arc'.

>So, I am disapppointed that no one got a triangle video, but I
>am not overly surprised.

I'm still quite uneasy about this. As I understand it there is
one "triangle" video which you indicated was probably a flight
of aircraft. This is evidently the same video described in Tony
Ortega's critical piece:

http://tinyurl.com/3avof6

The real triangle is estimated to have been seen by many
thousands, for the reason (as I've read) that so many people
were outside watching for comet Hale-Bopp. Surely some of those
hopeful comet watchers equipped themselves with video and still
cameras? But not one person apparently got a shot, whilst every
one of the four known witness groups to the 10:00PM flares
masnaged to shoot videos.

Now I take your point that some of the flare-sighters were alert
for unusual lights and had cameras ready, but this really
increases my puzzlement. A huge number of people at 8:30 were
presumably prepared to see an unusual comet - why did none of
them have cameras ready? Well, people can be absent minded, and
caught off-balance by unexpected events. So it's a good job then
that there were some people who _were_ prepared with video
cameras that night because they were hoping to see UFOs.
Unfortunately none of them reported or filmed the giant
triangle, only the flares.


Martin Shough



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