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Don Ecker's 1988 Informant 'Paul'

From: Terry Colvin <fortean1.nul>
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 06:36:59 -0500 (EST)
Archived: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 16:20:10 -0500
Subject: Don Ecker's 1988 Informant 'Paul'

Where was Joe Friday during these intense conversations? The
material is about 20 years-old, rambling, and vaguely
interesting. These undisclosed agents pop out of the woodwork
in the UFO DIScommunity so often, always breaking their oaths
for the greater good. Label this HUMER/HUMOR/HUMOUR.



In fantasticreality.nul

Royce Holleman <mrparanormal.nul> posted:

[by Don F. Ecker State Section Director MUFON,
 for the State of Idaho - circa 1988 --ebk]

This summer, while on vacation back to my families residence, I
encountered a family friend that I had not seen since 1973. For
obvious reasons I will not identify him, but for this record
will call him "Paul".

Paul is retired from over 30 years of distinguished government
service, is a widower, and is one of the most closed-mouthed men
I have ever known. When I first came back from Viet Nam in 1972,
I saw Paul at a family get-together, and even though he was just
back from South East Asia, he never mentioned it. I found out
through his brother.

When I went back east, I had taken a number of text files from
my records, for my sister, who is fascinated by the subject of
UFOs. It so happened that one evening, my sister and I and wife
and another friend, Bob, were sitting outside my mothers house,
and were discussing several of the files that I had taken back.
Paul stopped out at the house, as he was going to a function
with his sister and my mother. He sat down on the patio with us,
and as usual, did not say much.

My sister was reading the file concerned with
the Majestic 12 papers and making some comments, that if this
file was for real, the implications of alien contact could be
staggering for the world if verified. At this point Paul
leaned forward and asked if he could see the papers. My
sister passed several of the texts to him, and until he
left, he spent the remainder of his time reading them.

Just before he left, he got me off to the side, and asked
how I was involved with UFOs. I told him that Iwas an
investigator for MUFON, and was involved with a computer
network system with Paranet.

This was the first ofseveral conversations I had with Paul, and
I don't ask anyone to believe it, because, frankly, I have
problems with several things he told me. And you may wonder why
Paul would tell me anything, considering his government service,
and the agency he worked for.

To begin with, Paul is very ill, the last time I spoke with him,
he told me that he doesn't expect to be around for more than 18
months, maximum. Next, he told me that he never agreed with all
the secrecy that surrounded the government and the subject of
UFOs. And lastly, what he hinted at was actually occuring seemed
to haunt him. As he said, there wasn't a hell of a lot that even
the government was able to do about the situation.

I present the following, and you can make up your own mind about
whether to believe or not.

This summer past - 1988 - was the 20th reunion of my High
School. This was the reason that I traveled back, and besides,
my wife is in love with the east coast. While back, I became ill,
and ended up spending almost two weeks in the hospital. Paul
came and visited me, and this is how we ended having the several
conversations that we had.

Paul at first ask if I realized what dangers were present in the
subject of UFOs. I said "No", but I had heard rumors that this
could be the case. He said you damned betcha it could. "If you
stumbled over the right information you could end up among the
missing, and Don, this sure as hell wouldn't be the first time."

I asked him how he came to know so much about the subject, and
he said with the job he held, it was his business to know about
a lot of things. I then said come on Paul, I had dealings with
spooks while in Viet Nam, so don't try that line on me. He
told me then, that this was to his knowledge, still one of the
most highly classified subjects in the intelligence community.
That brought to mind the 'Smith Memo' from the 50's, and I
relayed it to Paul. I mentioned that Smith had stated that
the subject of UFOs had been rated higher than the H bomb,
and in perspective, was this still the case? Paul sreply
follows, and for the purposes of this file, I have condensed
our talks into one session.


In the 40's, when the 'flying saucer' scare started, the
military and government were concerned that it was possible
that the Soviets had made a breakthrough in technology with
their German scientists, that our German scientists had not
been able to duplicate. It then became evident that this
technology was above and beyond what we were able to achieve,
so the phenomenon had to come from outside. For awhile there
was a deadlock as to what to do, but then apparently the
military was able to secure one of the craft.

I asked Paul if he meant Roswell, and he only smiled. He said to
read the MJ 12 stuff again, that there were enough facts to get
an idea of what he was talking about. After that, it was
apparent that the technology was well above what we were capable

There were fears among certain people that this could be the
prelude to invasion, or possibly even worse. Others saw this as a
straight shot to technology that we couldn't even dream of, and
to exploit everything we could out of it.

Paul stated that there was a genuine fear that if the Soviets
could get one of these, and exploit it, the United States would
be in deep excrement. There was a think-tank that was set up,
and the decision for secrecy was understandable in that

Many of these craft were flying over nuclear installations, and
one thought at the time was that they could be after uranium
among other things, if they were, as believed then, coming from a
'dying' planet.

I asked if at that time, were they considered to be benign, and
Paul said yes, they were, but then several things happened to
change that idea. He would not elaborate, so I mentioned the
Mantell incident, and he said that is the most well known case,
but there were others, and some very bizarre.

The think-tank that was set up in the 40's were concerned that
some of these cases would become public knowledge, and they
still remembered the War Of The Worlds scare that Wells threw
into the public in 1938. They did not want a panic that could
affect the nations security, commerce, industry, finances and so
forth. The result was to debunk the whole damn thing, and hope
it would either go away, or they could solve it in time before
it did become public knowledge.

I asked Paul about several cases that I read about in Clear
Intent, one of them being the Cuban Jet Incident. Paul
said that he had heard about that, he wouldn't say much,
but this is not the only case where one of these objects
had shot down aircraft, "and it didn't all happen outside
the U. S. either".

"Look", he said, "if you were out in a very primitive area,
and were lost, or hungry, or what ever, and came across a
primitive native tribe, and I mean compared to you, really
primitive, would you trade with them, or take what you
needed, food, women, whatever, if you were very amoral?

Look, if in this case, you regard these natives as less
than dirt, and the only thing they have in common is that
they have what you need.

You are familiar with the animal mutilations aren't you? Many
people think that this was a government sponsored operation,
testing chemicals or something. Well, it wasn't, and farm
animals are not the only thing that has been tested. The guys I
know that are still active have said that right now, is one of
the biggest 'UFO flaps' that they have ever heard of, and there
is a lot of concern as to how long it can be kept secret."

I hated to break in on Paul when he was talking this freely,
but had to ask about the reported astronaut sightings.

Yes, there were sightings on damn near all the 'shots', and it
was always feared that the news services would pick up on some
of the reports. We did a damn good job of damage control though.

"Well Paul, what about reports that these things have been seen
on the moon?" I asked.

"Yes" he said, "they have been seen there, and some of this has
come out, so I don't think I am breaking any oaths, but ,
haven't you asked yourself why, after all the billions of
dollars that we had spent to get to the moon, after the early
70's, no one, us or the Russians, have gone near the place."

Yes, I admitted, I had wondered why, and then asked him if he
knew why. Paul just smiled and then pointed to the file that
contained the Lear Text.

"You know", he said, "this guy has hit pretty close on several
points, and I wonder if anyone has approached him?"

I asked what he meant, and he looked at me and said "Don, you
know what I mean, and after all, if a lot of the general public
became aware of this, they would scream like a mashed cat, and
demand to know what the hell the government is doing about it.
The proble mis, there are some that still think that they can
control events and keep a lid on this, and others that know we
are way in over our head and are looking for a way out."

Alright then, what are these things, where do they come from,
and what _do_ they want? I must have looked pretty exasperated
then, and Paul looked at me and gave me kind of what I thought
was a sad smile.

"Don" he said, "I don't know where they come from, as to what
they are, they are very different, and as to what they want, you
are gonna sleep a lot better if I just go." And he did leave

I haven't talked to Paul since I got back home, and just several
days ago, I got word that he had a heart attack and is in very
poor condition.

I have wondered about a lot of what he said, and have decided
that in lieu of keeping the whole thing to myself, I would put
it on my word processor, and then make a decision whether to
release it or not.

Paul had stated on several occasions that this subject had
the potential to be be very dangerous, and to be careful of
pursuing it.

"With access to the right information,if it became known, people
have disappeared."

I don't think he was just trying to scare me, the guy had been a
professional intelligence agent for longer than I have been
alive, and I am sure he knew a hell of a lot more about this,
than I would even want to. He had mentioned several things, that
even now I hesitate to put down, but the thing that inclines me
to accept what he said, was knowing a bit of what kind of man he
was, he seemed haunted and scared.

Well, in light of several things that have occured recently,
with the 'New and Improved' Blue Book, which I might add I
distrust wholeheartedly, the meltdown within MUFON, the
continuing 'flap' that doesn't show any signs of slowing
down, much less stopping, and the fragmented community of
UFO investigators, I discussed this with my better-half,
and have decided to throw it out, and see where it landed.

Take it for what it is worth, and remember, I have just relayed
what I was told, and I did warn you up front that this was
almost beyond belief.

Anyone with any additional information is requested to contact
me in care of Paranet RHO at 1-208-338-9187.

Don F. Ecker
State Section Director MUFON, for the state of Idaho


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