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Re: Question To FAA About National Press Club

From: Don Ledger <dledger.nul>
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 11:43:00 -0400
Archived: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 11:03:12 -0500
Subject: Re: Question To FAA About National Press Club

>From: Giuliano Marinkovic <giuliano.marinkovic.nul>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 20:21:20 +0100
>Subject: Question To FAA About National Press Club Conference

>Dear colleagues,

>I have just sent official media question to FAA contact form of
>William J. Hughes Technical Center and Mike Monroney
>Aeronautical Center that is located here;



>Dear FAA Spokesperson, Laura J. Brown.

>At November 12th 2007. in National Press Club, the international
>conference was held about air safety issues and implication
>connected with the unidentified aerial phenomena. The speakers
>were military and civilian experts and pilots from 7 countries.

>In connection with this event, CNN has aired the segment inside
>the Anderson Cooper Show at 12th of November 10pm EST.

>Transcript of the show is available here;


>During the segment, guest James McGaha stated;

>Start of quote:

>But I should say, when we talk about pilots, there's this
>incredible misidentification idea about pilots being trained
>observers. Pilots are not trained observers; they're trained to
>fly airplanes. They are some of the worst people at identifying
>objects in the sky that aren't other airplanes. They're trained
>to react quickly in an airplane, which very often makes them to
>react to wrong stimuli.

>End of quote


Hi Giuliano,

Are private and commercial pilots trained observers. No. Are
they experienced observers of what flies in the air. Yes. But
that comes from experience. Hundreds and thousands of hours of
flying in their medium trains them to identify other aircraft by
make and type.

First this. McGaha has no business spouting off about what
pilots can and can't do. He's parroting Jim Oberg [mid-level
engineer on the Shuttle] who has no busines determining what
pilots are and are not capable of identifying in the air. He
parrots Hynek who again had no business making the statement [he
was forced to withdraw that eventually] he did about pilots'
ability to identify other aicraft in the air as he was an
untrained observer himself. If you don't do the time you have no
business making "profound" [read assinine] statements. Dick
Haines [NARCAP] knows this and has far more experience with
cockpit management and interaction with pilots than any of the
above. So do I.

A pilot might not know what he saw when reporting a UFO [anymore
than anyone else does] but the pilot will tell you what it was
doing, where it was coming from, altitude, attitude, speed,
direction, behavior, what the weather was at the time, the sky
conditions, angle of descent or ascent, position with reference
the pilot's aircraft, threat to that aircraft and the time
usually to the minute. That's about 95 percent more infomation
than you will get from anyone else reporting some anomaly in the
sky including amateur astronomers like McGaha.

If any of you are on a panel with McGaha and he makes these
silly statements ask him where he gets the expertize to make
them. I'm not saying every pilot has great perceptional
abilities in this regard but the vaste majority do. We rely on
one another to have this ability particularly while flying
outside controlled airspace.

I suggest to you Giuliano that you send your request to some
organization in the United States with greater ability to answer
your questions than the FAA. You query will likely end up in the
hands of some office worker who will then start scratching
through some handbooks looking for answers. 95 persent of those
working with the FAA never had their hands on the control yoke
of an aircraft. Try Aircraft Owners and Pilot's Association
[AOPA] or Airline Pilots Association [ALPA] 100% of these people
do have flying experience.

Military pilots get some training as to what specific aircraft
they might encounter in the war theater-aircraft identification
while the rest of us learn to identify literally thousands of
aircraft makes and types during our hours in the air.

Pilots can separate aircraft from the background almost
automatically where the passenger never does see the aircraft.
The passengers usually don't understand one word coming from the
frequent radio traffic coming through the speaker or David
Clarks nor are they aware of the half dozen [plus] other
aircraft sharing the same general airspace as the plane they are

There is not enough space here to go into detail. Basically,
pilots might not know what the UFO is but they can usually tell
you what it isn't. How would they have any greater knowledge of
what UFOs are or where they come from than any other person?

Don Ledger

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