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Re: Question To FAA About National Press Club

From: Stan Friedman <fsphys.nul>
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 13:10:11 -0400
Archived: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 06:37:59 -0500
Subject: Re:  Question To FAA About National Press Club

>From: Don Ledger <dledger.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 11:43:00 -0400
>Subject: Re: Question To FAA About National Press Club Conference

>>From: Giuliano Marinkovic <giuliano.marinkovic.nul>
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 20:21:20 +0100
>>Subject: Question To FAA About National Press Club Conference

>>I have just sent official media question to FAA contact form of William
>>J. Hughes Technical Center and Mike Monroney Aeronautical Center that
>>is located here;



>>Dear FAA Spokesperson, Laura J. Brown.

>>At November 12th 2007. in National Press Club, the international
>>conference was held about air safety issues and implication connected
>>with the unidentified aerial phenomena. The speakers were military and
>>civilian experts and pilots from 7 countries.

>>In connection with this event, CNN has aired the segment inside the
>>Anderson Cooper Show at 12th of November 10pm EST.

>>Transcript of the show is available here;


>>During the segment, guest James McGaha stated;

>>Start of quote:

>>But I should say, when we talk about pilots, there's this incredible
>>misidentification idea about pilots being trained observers. Pilots are
>>not trained observers; they're trained to fly airplanes. They are some
>>of the worst people at identifying objects in the sky that aren't other
>>airplanes. They're trained to react quickly in an airplane, which very
>>often makes them to react to wrong stimuli.

>>End of quote


>Hi Giuliano,

>Are private and commercial pilots trained observers. No. Are
>they experienced observers of what flies in the air. Yes. But
>that comes from experience. Hundreds and thousands of hours of
>flying in their medium trains them to identify other aircraft by
>make and type.

>First this. McGaha has no business spouting off about what
>pilots can and can't do. He's parroting Jim Oberg [mid-level
>engineer on the Shuttle] who has no busines determining what
>pilots are and are not capable of identifying in the air. He
>parrots Hynek who again had no business making the statement [he
>was forced to withdraw that eventually] he did about pilots'
>ability to identify other aicraft in the air as he was an
>untrained observer himself. If you don't do the time you have no
>business making "profound" [read assinine] statements. Dick
>Haines [NARCAP] knows this and has far more experience with
>cockpit management and interaction with pilots than any of the
>above. So do I.

>A pilot might not know what he saw when reporting a UFO [anymore
>than anyone else does] but the pilot will tell you what it was
>doing, where it was coming from, altitude, attitude, speed,
>direction, behavior, what the weather was at the time, the sky
>conditions, angle of descent or ascent, position with reference
>the pilot's aircraft, threat to that aircraft and the time
>usually to the minute. That's about 95 percent more infomation
>than you will get from anyone else reporting some anomaly in the
>sky including amateur astronomers like McGaha.

>If any of you are on a panel with McGaha and he makes these
>silly statements ask him where he gets the expertize to make
>them. I'm not saying every pilot has great perceptional
>abilities in this regard but the vaste majority do. We rely on
>one another to have this ability particularly while flying
>outside controlled airspace.

>I suggest to you Giuliano that you send your request to some
>organization in the United States with greater ability to answer
>your questions than the FAA. You query will likely end up in the
>hands of some office worker who will then start scratching
>through some handbooks looking for answers. 95 persent of those
>working with the FAA never had their hands on the control yoke
>of an aircraft. Try Aircraft Owners and Pilot's Association
>[AOPA] or Airline Pilots Association [ALPA] 100% of these people
>do have flying experience.

>Military pilots get some training as to what specific aircraft
>they might encounter in the war theater-aircraft identification
>while the rest of us learn to identify literally thousands of
>aircraft makes and types during our hours in the air.

>Pilots can separate aircraft from the background almost
>automatically where the passenger never does see the aircraft.
>The passengers usually don't understand one word coming from the
>frequent radio traffic coming through the speaker or David
>Clarks nor are they aware of the half dozen [plus] other
>aircraft sharing the same general airspace as the plane they are

>There is not enough space here to go into detail. Basically,
>pilots might not know what the UFO is but they can usually tell
>you what it isn't. How would they have any greater knowledge of
>what UFOs are or where they come from than any other person?

>Don Ledger

I should point out that McGaha had a lot hours as a pilot when
in the military and in civilian flying as well.Maybe his strange
comments both on LK and in our formal debate at Middle Tennesee
State University are more the result of the many hundreds of
parachute jumps he has also done.

Stan Friedman

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