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Re: Pilots & UAP

From: Joe McGonagle <joe.mcgonagle.nul>
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 13:22:39 +0000
Archived: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 10:10:19 -0500
Subject: Re: Pilots & UAP

>From: Don Ledger <dledger.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 21:17:43 -0400
>Subject: Re: Pilots & UAP

>>From: Joe McGonagle <joe.mcgonagle.nul>To:
>>ufoupdates.nul Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007
>>16:18:24 +0000 Subject: Pilots & UAP [was: Question To FAA
>>About National Press Club Conference]

>>>From: Don Ledger <dledger.nul>To:
>>>ufoupdates.nul Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007
>>>11:43:00 -0400 Subject: Re: Question To FAA About National
>>>Press Club Conference

>> <snip>

>>>A pilot might not know what he saw when reporting a UFO
>>>[anymore than anyone else does] but the pilot will tell you
>>>what it was doing, where it was coming from, altitude,
>>>attitude, speed, direction, behavior, what the weather was
>>>at the time, the sky conditions, angle of descent or ascent,
>>>position with reference the pilot's aircraft, threat to that
>>>aircraft and the time usually to the minute.


>>Altitude, speed, attitude - if the pilot doesn't know _what_
>>they are looking at, how big it is, how far away it is, or
>>what (3-dimensional) shape it is, how can he determine these

>>I don't dispute that a pilot could provide a good estimate of
>>angular size, relative elevation/depression, and apparent
>>vertical motion, but that's not quite the same is it?

Hi Don,

Just to respond to your earlier post first where you wrote:

"Same as what?"

My point was that altitude, speed, and attitude are not quite
the same as angular size, relative elevation/depression, and
vertical motion.

>Experience is the answer. I'm talking about conventional
>aircraft. Once outside that then they know they are dealing with
>something that shouldn't be there, something that might be a
>threat to their own aircraft. Unknown craft, unknown intentions.

No disagreement when it comes to conventional aircraft, though I
don't think that was very clear in your original post, I thought
you were writing about UFOs.

I would just raise your use of the term "unknown craft" above -
 I don't think that really applies to Ray Bowyer's report for
example, which doesn't suggest a craft though it could still
represent an aviation hazard. I think that is an important
distinction to make.



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