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Re: Pilots & UAP

From: Don Ledger <dledger.nul>
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 12:38:14 -0400
Archived: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 15:27:41 -0500
Subject: Re: Pilots & UAP

>From: Joe McGonagle <joe.mcgonagle.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 13:22:39 +0000
>Subject: Re: Pilots & UAP

>>From: Don Ledger <dledger.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 21:17:43 -0400
>>Subject: Re: Pilots & UAP


>Just to respond to your earlier post first where you wrote:

>"Same as what?"

>My point was that altitude, speed, and attitude are not quite
>the same as angular size, relative elevation/depression, and
>vertical motion.

I don't think you know what you are talking about here, Joe. You
are discarding info out-of-hand because of some misperception on
your part.

Best thing to do is spend 5,000 pounds getting your license then
spend thousands more acquiring an aircraft then thousands more
on top of that getting a couple of thousand hours in the air,
then you can offer an opinion; otherwise you are just
spouting-off about something you know nothing about.

The other option is to do as I just suggested then spend many
more thousands of pounds getting your commercial and multi IFR
rating then sit right-seat in some small airliner for years then
graduate to the left-seat and eventually you will accumulate 10-
 15,000 hours of flight time and perceptual capabilities - no
one hires one-eyed or blind pilots - that you cannot fathom.
Then you will have the experience needed to sound-off about what
you don't know anything about right now.

You can take comfort, Joe, in the fact that 99% of the rest of
the UFO researchers on the Lists don't know either. Brutal but
true. But I'm tired of preaching that mantra.

>>Experience is the answer. I'm talking about conventional
>>aircraft. Once outside that then they know they are dealing with
>>something that shouldn't be there, something that might be a
>>threat to their own aircraft. Unknown craft, unknown intentions.

>No disagreement when it comes to conventional aircraft, though I
>don't think that was very clear in your original post, I thought
>you were writing about UFOs.

An unknown craft is a UFO. UFO for those who keep forgetting
means unidentified flying object-not alien space craft.

>I would just raise your use of the term "unknown craft" above -
>I don't think that really applies to Ray Bowyer's report for
>example, which doesn't suggest a craft though it could still
>represent an aviation hazard. I think that is an important
>distinction to make.

Ray Bowyers stepped up. He and the other pilot reported
something truly anomalous after discounting the possibilities in
their own minds of this being conventional.

Let's face it Bowyers has a much better handle on what does and
doesn't fly in our skies and has earned the right to report
without fear of ridicule about what he saw in the sky.

The fact that he was happy to get on the ground after seeing
these things should tell you something.

The second pilot steadfastly refuses to talk further about it -
probably because of the nonsense that comes from the press and
their inexperienced debunking supporters; or it struck him on a
level he would rather not go to.

Bowyers report suggests a craft to me - an unknown craft, or UFO.

Otherwise you are trying to make this out as some unknown
natural phenomenon. That I think is baloney.

Get started on that license.

Don Ledger

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