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Re: Pilots & UAP

From: Don Ledger <dledger.nul>
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 13:02:14 -0400
Archived: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 18:59:01 -0500
Subject: Re: Pilots & UAP


>From: John Harney <magonia.nul>
>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 21:05:59 -0000
>Subject: Re: Pilots & UAP

>>From: Don Ledger <dledger.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:07:37 -0400
>>Subject: Re: Pilots & UAP

>>I note of late that there is a concerted attempt to discredit
>>pilot reports and the pilots themselves by James Oberg and a few
>>others who simply parrot Hynek's uninformed gaff. And there is
>>good reason for this. He and others recognize the value of pilot
>>reports most likely because they report them in terms they are
>>most familiar with as if it was another aircraft.

>>While we are at it I note Canadian pilots have gotten around
>>the stigma they wish to distance themselves from while still
>>alerting other pilots in their airspace of reports of something
>>unusual by reporting a 'balloon'.

>>These 'balloons' do not in the larger percentage of cases make
>>any sense. Thay are too big, are tracking the aircraft, often
>>are displaying behavior uncharacteristic of a balloon such as,
>>in one case, hovering in the same spot for 26 hours, are not
>>scientific balloons because they are not NOTAMed, are at
>>altitudes uncharacteristic of weather balloons.

>If this 'balloon' hovered in the same spot for 26 hours, then
>there was plenty of time to obtain full details of its size,
>shape, etc. as well as good quality photos and videos. So it
>would either have been identified or proved to be undeniably a
>'true UFO'. There would thus no longer be any doubt as to the
>reality of unknown craft in our atmosphere.

But not in the real world, John. I checked into this anomally and
was met with a reply from Nav Canada stating that apparently the
air was stable in that area for those ~26 hours and the reason it
hung around. This was over the Rocky Mountains for crissakes.

>So let's have the full details, and skeptics, debunkers,
>pelicanists, etc. will retire, defeated.

The best I can tell you is that numerous pilots reported the
"balloon" and that Nav Canada stuck with that explanation. No
investigation-at least on the surface- was made. Typical.

Paris Flammonde reported one of these near my hometown of Halifax
in August of 1967-reported by several pilots-hovering at about
50,0000 feet over St. Margaret's Bay, for 3 days!

By pure chance it turned out that one of the pilots was Captain
Guy Charbonneau, the same Air Canada pilot flying Flight 305 who
had reported the anomally the night of the Shag Harbour incident
but at 8PM - three and a half hours earlier than the main event.

I'm convinced that this was a Wallops Island launch - well to
the south and out over the Atlantic - to 60 miles and the
release of gases for some experiment.

Nick Balaskas first alerted me to that launch and then later in
one of Jerry Clark's books - as a contributing writer - UFO
Encounters, I found a picture on page 105 in black and white that
is nearly identical to that taken by Wilfred Eisnor at 9pm local
but in color.

Anyway, when I finally located Charbonneau in 2001 he gave me
more detail about the object that was basically ignored by the
RCAF, apparently, that hung at 50,000 feet for three days and
was visible on height finding radar at Halifax International -
hence the known altitude of 50,000 feet.

Another stationary balloon no doubt.

Off the coast of Nova Scotia? Not a chance.

If you don't like the weather, wait a minute. I've flown here
for nearly 30 years and when you get a weather briefing you
trust it for no longer than at max about 4 hours - it changes
that auickly. The air is never stable for very long.

But I digress...


Don Ledger



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