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Re: 'Unidentified'

From: Vincent Boudreau <vincentboudreau.nul>
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 15:55:00 -0500 (EST)
Archived: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 19:18:58 -0500
Subject: Re: 'Unidentified'

>From: Joe McGonagle <joe.mcgonagle.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 17:10:38 +0000
>Subject: 'Unidentified'

>>From: Vincent Boudreau <vincentboudreau.nul>
>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 14:31:09 -0500 (EST)
>>Subject: Re: Pilots & UAP

>>Does it ever start to be identifiable as a constructed object
>>not from this Earth?

>I think it is possible, but that it hasn't happened yet. The
>obvious way in which it would be possible would be the retrieval
>of the object. I daresay that other methods are also available,
>though the global acceptance of any such method might vary.

If I understand you correcly, a certain Bin Laden does not exist
because he has not been retrieved yet?

Yes, and we might also put in the same box all of the
astronomical data ever gathered, since _none_ of this stuff has
ever been _retrieved_.


>>I think it should be stated that, at some point, the _true_
>>unknowns are not unidentified. They should be considered as some
>>alien manifestation, meaning not fabricated by mankind as we
>>know it.

>Why? If this were so, secret military aircraft would be
>classified as alien, for example (if I understand you


You didn't understand me correctly and missed the key expression
"_true_ unknowns", which refers to oberved structured (and thus
manufactured) objects displaying behavior and performances out
of reach of our present knowledge and technology.

Since 'we' didn't make them, 'not we'! obviously did.

'We' refers to humankind.


>>>The term 'alien' itself is the object of a debate. They might be
>>>interdimensional, extraterrestrial, time travelers, whatever.

>Several people (including myself) have made the same point, but
>it seems that only the ETH is acceptable for the true believers.


True believer? What's that?


>>As much as there is danger! of classifying all strange
>>observations and unknowns as UFOs, the re is a danger in
>>classifying all UFOs as unidentified, especially when the label
>>infers something was amiss.

>>"Unidentified" is some kind of negative assessment.

>I don't see why - it's simply an acknowledgement that we don't
>know everything.


It should be if it were not disingenuously used as a term to
negate a reality irreconcilable with the common accepted

Please read Don Ledger's fine reply to this post.


>>James Penniston saw and touched something in Rendlesham Forest.
>>_Unidentified_ does not apply to it.

>>It was alien wasn't it? So were the Iranian and Peruvian

>>If the word "alien" is too much for some people, how about
>>"artificial but not manmade"?

>How do you establish with certainty that it wasn't man-made?


Good that you recognize that an object was seen, that it was

A good point for you that you accept Penniston's testimony as

We're half-way there.

It wasn't man-made because the object's behavior is well beyond
what is possible today, not to mention 27 years ago...

From NPC UFO Conference:

"There was a bright light emanating from an object on the forest
floor. As we approached it on foot, a silhouetted triangular craft
about 9 feet long by! 6.5 feet high, came into view. The craft was
fully intact sitting in a small clearing inside the woods.

When we came up on the triangular shaped craft there were blue and
yellow lights swirling around the exterior as though part of the
surface and the air around us was electrically charged. We could feel
it on our cloths, skin and hair. Nothing in my training prepared me
for what we were witnessing.

On one side of the craft were symbols that measured about 3
inches high and two and a half feet across. These symbols were
pictorial in design; the largest symbol was a triangle, which
was centered in the middle of the others. These symbols were
etched into the surface of the craft, which was warm to the
touch and felt like metal.

The feeling I had during this encounter was no type of aircraft
that I have seen before.

After roughly 45 minutes the light from the craft began to
intensify. Burroughs and I then took a defensive position away
from the craft as it lifted! off the ground without any noise or
air disturbance. It maneuvered through the trees and shot off at
an unbelievable rate of speed. It was gone in the blink of an

In my logbook, (that I have right here) 1 wrote, Speed:
IMPOSSIBLE. Over 80 Air Force Personnel, all trained observers
assigned to the 81st Security Police Squadron, witnessed the

If you still think this was man-made, you are a true believer in
I don't know what exactly.

>>If the word "alien" is too much for some people, how about
>>"artificial but not manmade"?

>>It is also a negative assessment, but it is more convenient and
>>more exact than "unidentified".

>It is only more exact in cases when it _is_ artificial and
>_isn't_ man-made.

Like Penniston's object.

Vincent Boudreau

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