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Re: Melvin Brown And The MPs

From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993.nul>
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 15:48:25 EST
Archived: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 08:06:55 -0500
Subject: Re: Melvin Brown And The MPs


>From: Jan Aldrich <project1947.nul>
>To: <ufoupdates.nul>,
>Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 21:02:50 -0500
>Subject: Re: Melvin Brown And The MPs


>>From: Richard Hall <dh12.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 08:03:44 -0500
>>Subject: Re: Melvin Brown And The MPs

>>>From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993.nul>
>>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>>Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:05:03 EST
>>>Subject: Melvin Brown And The MPs

>>>List, All,

>>>Over the years, the skeptics, the debunkers, and even the Air
>>>Force has scoffed at the idea that some of the witnesses who
>>>have claimed to seen the craft or the bodies at Roswell would
>>>have been in a position to do so. Maybe the best example of this
>>>is Melvin Brown who was assigned to the 509th Bomb Group in July
>>>1947 as a cook. The question they ask is, "Why would a cook be
>>>out on guard duty?"

>>>Many might think this is a fair question, but what it reveals is
>>>a lack of understanding of military doctrine. It is a question
>>>that can be answered easily by those who have some knowledge of
>>>the way the military functions.

<snip>

>>Kevin,

>>Very interesting observations.

>>When I enlisted in the Air Force in 1949 it was only recently a
>>separate service from the Army. My basic training at Lackland
>>AFB, Texas, included all of the doctrine Kevin describes.

>>Although my formal designation turned out to be Clerk, Non-
>>Typist, and I was a lowly enlisted man, I qualified as Marksman
>>on the Caliber .30 Carbine, could field strip and reassemble it
>>blindfolded, learned the protocols for guarding buildings, etc.
>>Fortunately for me I managed to avoid being sent to Korea and
>>pressed into such service.

>>I later learned that one of my buddies was killed in combat on
>>the ground when an Air Force base in Korea was overrun by
>>infantry. I never learned the details, but most likely he was
>>performing guard duty at the time.

>>Because of troop shortages early in the Korean War, we (the Air
>>Force trainees) received quasi-infantry training including gas
>>attack drills, throwing hand grenades, and firing a Thompson
>>submachine gun.

>When it comes down to an alert or extended duties cooks, do one
>thing... cook!


Jan, List, All,

Yes, but all cooks are soldiers and sometimes their duties move
beyond the mess hall, or as they are now known DFACs, for dining
facilities.

>I don't believe this hogwash about cooks being placed on guard
>duty for an instant. This is not a combat situation but
>supposedly a recovery which caused people to be moved off base
>and commenced a 24-hour operation which increases the job of the
>messhall. If you have a troops deployed off base, then you
>expect to feed them a hot meal in the feeded cycle ASAP and also
>expected to provide soup and coffee during the operation around
>the clock.

Why do you expect them to be fed a hot meal in the field? Is
this a requirement by regulation? Or, could you just see that
they have C-rations - now known as MREs - to be fed in the
field? And, it's not as if you left them in the field for days
on end.

>Now if this a situation that requires cooks to pull guard duty,
>then the base should be calling everyone back in and not
>engaging in sports competions. Seems that didn't happen, my
>reading of the Roswell newspapers had the sports teams still out
>there playing baseball.

A very nice point. Unless, of course, by cancelling these
events, you alert the world to something strange, not to mention
the fact that they could still participate in a sporting
activity and complete the rest of their duties. We can speculate
about all sorts of things.

But, of course, none of those sports teams were made up
exclusively of military police, so they really haven't impacted
on the overall mission, except to further reduce the number of
people immediately available, meaning that you rely on those who
are available.

>Kevin, military doctrine, hogwash. I guess I was in a different
>kind of Army than you! To emphasize one more time this was not a
>combat situation. In my 25 years in the military I have never
>seen a guard mount with cooks. I have never seen cooks deployed
>as guards in very critical situations nuclear guard forces and
>reserve guard forces, nuclear accident/incidents, and recovery
>operations of crashed aircraft. Or during the first gulf war in
>which we had to supply a large 24 hour guard forces of
>stationary, roving guards, resever force, and 100% search of all
>vehicles in several contained access points at our installation
>and all the soft targets off post including the gas station,
>high school, PX, commissary, day care, extensive family housing
>complex, and other auxillary facilities for counter-terrorism
>pruposes. No cooks were used in this operation as I said before
>cooks, cook. as it was in 1947.

Yes, I guess you were in a different Army than me. While we were
in the field training before deployment into Iraq, I seem to
remember the cooks pulling their share of guard duty on the
perimeter. In fact, the senior NCO annoyed the inspectors when
he opened fire - simulated - on them because they approached
from the wrong direction and didn't have the proper password.
And I seem to remember the cooks pulling their share of guard
duty at our TOC once we had deployed into Iraq.

And we can exchange experiences all we want. But what do you
suggest they do when the mission, combat or not, requires the
deployment in more arenas than you have sufficient military
police forces to cover?

>So you can try to sell Melvin Brown, but I am not buying. From
>experience this is highly improbable.

Don't buy Brown, if you don't want but my experiences, and this
includes Vietnam, the Air Force in Panama and our recent
adventures in Iraq, suggest that a soldier is a soldier and
sometimes he, or she, is used in a mission for which the
training has been basic. There really is nothing about Brown
that excludes him from this and while I would agree that it is
unusual, it is not highly improbable.


KRandle





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