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Re: Melvin Brown And The MPs

From: Brad Sparks <RB47x.nul>
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:16:00 EST
Archived: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:11:15 -0500
Subject: Re: Melvin Brown And The MPs


>From: Greg Sandow <greg.nul>
>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:32:36 -0500
>Subject: Re: Melvin Brown And The MPs

>>From: Bruce Hutchinson <bhutch.nul>
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 23:09:07 -0500
>>Subject: Re: Melvin Brown And The MPs

>>The question is not why a cook would be on guard duty; it is why
>>a cook, who claimed he was pressed into guard duty, would be
>>allowed such extraordinary access to the bodies and the ship's
>>debris.

<snip>

>This is very well reasoned, but here, and also in Jan Aldrich's
>post, one key premise is that the military normally - or at
>least in sensitive situations - follows its procedures.

Greg,

You are talking past each other. You acknowledged that this was
a "very well reasoned" point questioning why a cook would be
allowed such extraordinary access to ET spaceship and bodies,
then you sidetrack onto a point about exceptions to military
procedures. Aren't you getting sick and tired of all the
"exceptions" that have to be dragged out to keep the Roswell
dead horse alive?? All we have at least on this List is a vast
collection of dead ends, all deadending in Roswell, NM. There
are better alternatives to beating the dead horse of worthless
Roswell anecdotes year after year.

A very few leads going to Wright Field or Andrews Field also
dead end there and go no farther. But almost all of the
stories are just that, anecdotal stories deadending in the town
of Roswell. If the AF wanted to stymie the unraveling of its
Roswell coverup it could not have done better than to make
sure every lead deadends in Roswell and goes no farther.

Do you really think the entire Roswell case hinges on the
third-hand hearsay of Melvin Brown for crying out loud?? We
don't even have Brown's testimony, only that of his daughter
Beverly Bean who refused to sign an affidavit swearing to
what her father allegedly told her.

Do we have to have shyster defense lawyer type arguments
each and every time someone tries to make a more balanced
assessment of the credibility (or lack of same) of an alleged
Roswell "witness"?

Again, as I have pointed out here on this list, the arguments like
this are for a political not scientific objective. The political
objective is to try to "prove" Roswell ET reality to the political
powers of the country. This is not the same thing as a
scientific objective. The pursuit of the political goal invariably
brings out the worst, the partisan extremists, and is the antithesis
of scientific objectivity. The debunkers are the political extremists
on the opposite side, by the way.

As for military procedures the late Karl Pflock commented on the
problems with the alleged Melvin Brown story (I say "alleged"
because we don't even know for sure if Brown ever actually told
the story at all) (Pflock 2001, p. 102):

"... Brown was a cook, assigned to Squadron "K" of the
509th, not a military policeman or any other sort of security or
intelligence/counterintelligence specialist. Given the highly
sensitive nature of the recovery operations, it seems most
unlikely cooks would be detailed to such duty.

"Moreover, standard military procedure is that mess and
medical personnel are the last to be taken from their primary
duties for other assignments, and then only in extreme situations.
Roswell AAF was a huge base with thousands of personnel
assigned, many of them in redundant staff positions (e.g.,
squadron clerks), so if there was a need for extra hands on
the Lincoln County [UFO crash] sites, there was a
substantial pool from which to draw before resorting to a
raid on the mess hall kitchens [for cooks like Brown to do
guard duty]."

Another point is that if the Roswell crash situation was so
dire and exigent that mess cooks had to be drafted to do
guard duty then that would mean that every single man on
the base would have had knowledge of it. That kind of
manpower net would catch everyone if it caught a cook like
Brown.

That would preclude the compartmentation scenario
where only some high security units had knowledge beyond
the base press release and news coverage. If everyone on
base "knew" about Roswell including cooks then why are
there Roswell 509th reunions with loads of 1947 veterans
who know nothing about the UFO incident? This seems more
consistent with limited compartmented base involvement and
no low-level cooks.

>Here are two stories, illustrating the impossible things that
>can happen in real life.

<snip>

>And, during the height of the Cold War, and even during the
>Cuban Missile Crisis, the Soviet embassy in Washington didn't
>have direct communications with the Kremlin. If they wanted to
>send an urgent message, they'd call Western Union and arrange to
>send a telegram. Western Union would dispatch a messenger, who'd
>come to the Embassy, pick up the message, and then bring it back
>to the Western Union office for transmission to Russia. Of
>course the CIA read all these messages, and there was another
>unintended consequence, too. The Russians got worried that the
>messengers would stop off for a drink, and not deliver the
>message quickly to Western Union. So they'd follow the
>messengers, to make sure this didn't happen.

>... The second story comes from "Nikita Khrushchev and the
>Creation of a Superpower," by Khrushchev's son Sergei, now a
>university professor living in the US.

The story is bogus!

The Soviet embassy <did> have direct communications with the
Kremlin during the Cuban Missile Crisis. A cutoff would have
been seen as an act of war.

The Soviets did not need Western Union to transmit high-priority
messages to and from Moscow. The Soviet Embassy rooftop had and
still has a vast array of radio antennas, many of which are for
shortwave transmissions directly to and from Moscow, most of
which were encrypted with one-time pads, some of which were sent
as microbursts to try to evade interception.

Also, the Soviet Embassy like many other embassies used Western
Union, RCA and ITT cable lines, which it rented as International
Leased Carriers (ILC's) for low-level routine message traffic
but they were directly connected electronically and did not send
human messengers out to the WU offices and back!

The idea is sheer madness that they would use such crude methods
for the hundreds to thousands of daily routine messages.

The NSA Operation Shamrock intercepted something like 5,000
messages per day, mainly from Soviet and Soviet bloc embassies
in the US.

Brad Sparks



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