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Re: Melvin Brown And The MPs

From: David Rudiak <drudiak.nul>
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:51:40 -0800
Archived: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 06:57:33 -0500
Subject: Re: Melvin Brown And The MPs

>From: Bruce Hutchinson <bhutch.nul>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 23:09:07 -0500
>Subject: Re: Melvin Brown And The MPs

>>From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:05:03 EST
>>Subject: Melvin Brown And The MPs

>Over the years, the skeptics, the debunkers, and even the Air
>Force has scoffed at the idea that some of the witnesses who
>have claimed to seen the craft or the bodies at Roswell would
>have been in a position to do so. Maybe the best example of
>this is Melvin Brown who was assigned to the 509th Bomb
>Group in July 1947 as a cook. The question they ask is, "Why
>would a cook be out on guard duty?"

>The question is not why a cook would be on guard duty; it is
>why a cook, who claimed he was pressed into guard duty, would
>be allowed such extraordinary access to the bodies and the
>ship's debris.

>Kevin's premise here is a strawman. Anyone who has been in the
>military knows full well that every soldier, regardless of their
>job, will eventually get to pull guard duty at some point,
>although like Jan, I doubt seriously that an Army cook would
>ever pull guard duty. I certainly never saw that happen, and I
>did my share guarding empty buildings.

The usual debunking, "It's not in my personal experience,
therefore it can't be."

I myself have never seen a plane crash, a murder, a case of the
bubonic plague, etc., etc. However, it would be rather foolish
to doubt such things just because I had never personally seen

We have already had posts here about cooks and others who did
pull guard duty during military service even though not regular
MPs. At Roswell, there is other testimony of personnel pulling
guard duty outside of their regular duties, like Thomas Gonzales
of Squadron T and William Quigley of the 393rd Bomb Squadron.
Quigley said it was the only time in his military career he was
ever ordered to guard anything, in this case a B-29 being loaded
with something over a bomb pit, with orders to shoot to kill to
keep people out.

One hero of Pearl Harbor personally shot down three Japanese
planes with a machine gun. Was he the machine gunner? No, he was
a lowly black mess attendant named Dorrie Miller, the guy who
scrubbed the pots and peeled the potatoes. But he decided to
take off his apron, first saved his captain, then manned the
machine gun post, despite having no training whatsoever.

If this wasn't all so well-documented, I'm sure skeptics would
assert this could never, ever happen. "No way could a guy,
especially a cook, with no training in weaponry do what was
claimed, etc., etc."

Melvin Brown, as it turns out, was in fact trained as a regular
soldier for over three years before becoming a cook, and was
rated an expert marksman. His service predated Pearl Harbor. He
had been in the Army for 8 years prior to Roswell, maybe just
the sort of experienced guy who might be asked to guard
something of high importance if they were short-handed with the
regular MPs.

>Security units, like Major Easley=B4s command, are charged with
>securing full time any number of highly sensitive base
>buildings/>areas and the base access points. During the night
>and on weekends many buildings with minimal security requirements
>are unoccupied and these, as well as perimeter fences, would be
>guarded by conscripts drawn from the rest of the base

>In a time of emergency, if his unit is stretched thin, Easley
>would indeed have had the authority to "requisition" additional
>personnel from other units on the base to back up his troops.
>Under those circumstances, however, these non-security soldiers
>would have been assigned to low priority posts, to allow the
>regular security personnel to be sent to the where the "action"
>was. The idea that a fill-in troop would have been sent to
>guard _the_ most sensitive building in the nation at that time
>>is ludicrous at best. That would be a post where Easley would
>have sent only his experienced, regular security forces.

Who might very well have been stretched very thin guarding other
highly sensitive sites 24 hours a day, like the hospital, planes
being loaded, the debris field, the north site, etc., not to
mention a few of them going around and threatening some

>Security troops/MPs are well trained to know exactly the limits
>of their authority. Under the right circumstances, a private
>can deny a 4-star general access to the building he is
>guarding, and he would know exactly how to handle such a

I suspect not many privates will have the guts to tell a 4-star
general to go to hell or threaten to shoot them if they don't
back off. And not many 4-star generals I likely to take kindly
to a teenage soldier threatening them or ordering them what to

>A soldier (an engine mechanic, say...) who might pull guard
>duty 2-3 times a year would not be able to properly secure such
>an enormously sensitive post in times of extraordinary

But Brown was more than "just a cook."

Some actual facts on Sgt. Melvin Brown (from copies of his
service record, in Timothy Good's "Alien Contact")

Born: 1914 (therefore 33 years old at the time of Roswell, not
some teenage MP)
Enlisted: December 1939 (served in a gun battalion)
Received MOS of cook: April 1943
Transferred to Asiatic Pacific Theater: June 1943

Noted as being an Expert with M1 Carbine. Received the Bronze
Star for Phillipine campaign. Noted as serving in battle in
Northern Solomons.

Point: Again, Brown was more than "just a cook". He was a
regular soldier for 3-1/2 years before being trained as a cook,
was an expert marksman, served in South Pacific battle zones,
and received a Bronze Star for something I presume to be other
than his cooking. Cooks can come under fire in battle zones just
like everybody else. (A famous example was during the Battle of
the Bulge, where everybody, cooks included, were ordered to pick
up weapons and make a stand against the German advance.)

For all we know, maybe Brown did get trained and serve as an MP
early in his military career, sure speculation, but at least
based on something a little more substantial than "no way, no
how, because I say so."

Brown was discharged in November 1945 and re-enlisted in
December 1945 for three years.

(After Roswell, he was apparently at Operation Sandstone, the A-
bomb tests in the Bikini Islands during April and May of 1948.
There is a document form May 1948 recommending him for promotion
to staff sergeant and mentioning that he was a member of Task
Unit 7.4.1, one of the groups comprising Sandstone.)

So, yes a cook, but also a seasoned soldier at the time.

>Easley, if he was a competent commander, would have _only_ his
>highly trained security troops or MPs guarding such a sensitive

Brown had been in the Army for almost 8 years at the time of the
Roswell incident (3-1/2 years not as a cook) and had been
through a war (with a Bronze star, rated an expert marksman, and
a member of a gun battalion), which might very well explain why
he might be trusted over a buck private 19-years-old MP to guard
something like a hangar with alien bodies inside or accompany
bodies back from the field in a truck.

>Had he done otherwise, like posting Brown, Blanchard
>would have had his head on a stick!

Blanchard would have needed a lot of free time on his hands to
review and second-guess all decisions of his senior officers
about personnel selections and other related matters. No,
usually commanding officers delegate such authority and would
have no reason to question such decisions later unless some
collosal, compromising foul-up had occurred because of such

I think if Blanchard had put anybody's head on a stick, he would
have stayed a bit closer to home, starting with Marcel for
failure to identify simple balloon debris material, then putting
a Svengali curse on him to make him also think tinfoil, paper,
balsa wood, Scotch tape, and rubber debris came from a flying
saucer, leading to him issuing a press release that they had
recovered same, leading to a national and international press
uproar that disrupted not only Roswell base, but the Pentagon
clear up to the acting chief of staff (Vandenberg) and
Blanchard's superior officer over at 8th AAF HQ in Fort Worth
(Ramey), who in turn immediately ID's the debris as coming from
a simple weather balloon, making senior officers at Roswell look
like drooling idiots for failure to ID debris that wouldn't
puzzle the average 5-year-old.

Not only would Blanchard have put Marcel's head on a stick, I
think he would have piked the head of the man who went out with
Marcel, Sheridan Cavitt, for failure to tell him or Marcel, "Oh
by the way, it's obviously balloon debris."

In addition, I think Gen. Ramey would have put Blanchard's head
on a stick for issuing the press release on his own, regardless
of what his fool officers may or may not have told him. Not only
that, Gen. Vandenberg would have made damned sure various heads
would have rolled for the public relations' disaster and there
would have been a thorough investigation as to what happened at
their sensitive atomic bomber base, which would be in public

Of course, _none_ of this happened. Hmmm, I wonder why? Instead
Col. Blanchard eventually became a 4 star general and second-
highest officer in the AF, both Blanchard and Ramey had very
complimentary things to say about Marcel afterwards (Ramey,
e.g., calls him "outstanding"; Blanchard boosted his efficiency
rating), Marcel got a promotion (Blanchard and Ramey's chief of
staff Dubose approving), Marcel later got transferred to
Washington and another highly sensitive intelligence job, etc.,

I confess I just don't understand the military mind. Is boosting
incompetent officers upwards and saying highly complimentary
things about them the military equivalent of putting their heads
on a stick?

>During the recovery operation, Easley, if he was a competent
>officer, would have had only _his_ troops at the center of the
>operations and on the truck carrying the debris and bodies. The
>rest of the conscripted forces (including Brown?) would have
>been those out on the perimeter.

More mind-reading from somebody who wasn't there. Maybe that
would have been SOP, but SOP can fall by the wayside depending
on circumstances. Cooks and clerks and guys on K.P. normally
don't fight battles, but they did during the Battle of the Bulge
when the regular infantry and artillery guys were dying all
around them. Untrained cook's assistants normally don't man
machine guns and shoot down enemy planes, like Dorrie Miller did
at Pearl Harbor.

No, this wasn't in the midst of battle, but it was highly
unusual circumstances. During special circumstances, SOP can get
thrown out the window.

Maybe Easley was simply shorthanded guarding both the base and a
very large area in the field, needing his regular MPs elsewhere
to keep out nosy rancher neighbors or curious Roswellians who
had heard about it.

Brown's daughter Bev Bean told Len Stringfield, "All available
men stood guard duty around the site where a crashed disc had
come down... Although he and others were told they would get
into trouble if they saw too much, they did look under the cover
and saw two small dead bodies..."

In Tim Good's Alien Contact: "...any men available were taken
to the site. They had to form a ring around whatever it was they
had to cover, and everything was put on trucks. They were told
not to look and to take no notice, and were sworn to secrecy."

This is indeed suggestive that Easley was shorthanded. One group
of MPs, Squadron A, had about 180 men. Another, the 390th Air
Service Squadron, had about 200. Normally they would be tasked
with guarding the perimeter and grounds of the base.

But during the Roswell incident, according to testimony, in
addition to their normal guard duties, they would be required to
throw up multiple cordons to keep unauthorized people out. The
debris field area had to be secured, plus access to it. The
smaller north site also had to be secured, and in addition, a
cordon running for perhaps 60 miles north of Roswell was thrown
up along Highway 285 to keep people from venturing off-highway.
Extra security would also have to be thrown up around Hangar 84
(where testimony indicates bodies, debris, and a craft were
taken) and the base hospital, and few other places as well.

So yes, Easley probably would have been scrambling for men to
cover everything. Like in the Battle of the Bulge, maybe even
some cooks were grabbed and made to stand guard, including an
experienced soldier like Brown, who wasn't always a cook and
knew how to handle a rifle.

>Kevin has told us that the security level at RAAFB during the
>Incident was at its lock-down highest level possible. If that
>was true, and if Easley and his security personnel were doing
>their jobs properly, Brown=B4s commanding officer (the mess
>officer!) would have had absolutely no business inside the
>building where the bodies were held, and would not have been
>able to casually walk in for a peek!

Gee, if only the real world were so neat and tidy where
everybody always followed the rules to the letter and everything
was always done exactly by the book. But the real world is made
up of human beings who have relationships with other human
beings and make judgment calls based on those relationships plus
their emotional state at the time and don't always necessarily
do things by the book. Lots of rule bending takes place in the
real world, even in the military, depending on circumstances,
particularly ones that can be chaotic or highly unusual.

So suppose Brown's mess hall commanding officer is a friend who
he completely trusts and Brown doesn't see any harm in maybe
letting him have a quick look. Plus he's going to have a very
had time shooting the guy if he persists and doesn't go away.

According to Bev Bean in "Alien Contact", her dad told her he
guarded the hangar and his "commanding officer" (unspecified)
asked to look while he was guarding, but when they went inside
the hangar there was nothing to see because everything had been
packed up.

There is an implied but no explicit mention of bodies being in
there, i.e., this was the hangar where the truck he was riding
on carried the bodies but he didn't see bodies after that.

To Len Stringfield she reported, "...he stood guard once outside
a hangar where a crashed saucer was stored. He couldn't see
anything as it was all packed up and ready to be flown out to
Texas the next day."

Here there is no mention of bodies being carried to the hangar
or of a "commanding officer" coming by later and asking to go
in. For all we know, "commanding officer" could have been Col.
Blanchard coming by to have one last peek.

Another example of relationships coming into play was in Walter
Haut's affidavit where he said Blanchard took him out to the
hangar to have a look. Now probably Blanchard shouldn't have
done that, but Haut was a friend and confidant who Blanchard
fully trusted.

Louis Rickett of the CIC also said his C/O, Sheridan Cavitt took
him out to one of the crash sites because he wanted him to see
what was going on. Maybe Cavitt shouldn't have done that either.
Did Rickett really have a need to know at that point? Probably

Of course Marcel took debris home to show his wife and son. He
probably shouldn't have done that either. Other soldiers told
their wives, their kids, their friends, etc. Human beings are
not robots and often don't want to keep things to themselves,
sometimes allowing others they trust to have a peek or telling
them about it when maybe they shouldn't.

Anyway, that's the real, messy world I live in, not the fantasy
world of debunkers who insist people must behave and things
could go down in only one possible way.

>On the other hand, if Brown=B4s story is true, then Major Easley
>must have been an extraordinarily incompetent officer at a base
>where reputedly only the 'best of the best' were assigned.

I suspect Easley knew the men at the base a bit better than
second-guessing, clairavoyant debunkers from 60 years in
the future.

David Rudiak

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