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Re: Roswell Incident Recalled By Vet Who Was There

From: David Rudiak <drudiak.nul>
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 11:23:31 -0700
Archived: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 21:45:10 -0400
Subject: Re:  Roswell Incident Recalled By Vet Who Was There

>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul>
>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 15:01:24 -0500
>Subject: Re: Roswell Incident Recalled By Vet Who Was There

>>From: Martin Shough <parcellular.nul>
>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 18:31:20 +0100
>>Subject: Re: Roswell Incident Recalled By Vet Who Was There

>>>"My friend said he saw the bodies, and I believed him," Sprouse
>>>said. "He said, 'We don't think the humanoid ate food.' I don't
>>>know why he said that. The digestive system wasn't designed for
>>>food or something."

>>I may be wrong but I don't believe the term "humanoid" existed
>>in 1947. Wasn't it a ufologists' word coined in the late '50s,
>>early '60s?

>Where would you have gotten that idea, Martin? Has ufology
>contributed _any_ single word to the common vocabulary that
>doesn't incorporate some "UFO" at its core?

>"It is believed that the divergence of the humanoid and
>anthropoid types occurred perhaps a million years ago."

>  - Athens [Ohio] Messenger, January 23, 1929.

>Jerry Clark

I have also done electronic searches and find several "humanoid"
uses in the newspapers from the 1920s and 1930s concerning
"apeman" discoveries and human evolution. The earliest of these
was 1924:

Review of 'What is Man' by J. Arthur Thomson

"What followed in the course of ages was the divergence of
branch after branch from the main Primate stem. Firt there
emerged the South American monkeys on a line of their own and
then the Old World monkeys, such as the macaques and baboons.
Ages passed and the main stems gave off the branch now
represented by the small anthropid apes - the gibbons and
siamang. Distinctly later there diverged the branch of the large
anthropid apes, the gorilla, the chimpanzee, and the orang. That
left a generalized ***humanoid***stock separated off from all
the monkeys and apes, and including the immediate precursors of
man. When this sifting out of a generalized ***humanoid*** stock
took place remains very uncertain, some authorities referring it
to the Miocene, others to the early Pliocene." - -Chicago Daily
Tribune, April 27, 1924

"No naturalist [he says] supposes man to be descended from any
living ape, still less from any living monkey. The scientific
teaching is that man is a scion of a stock common to him and the
higher apes, the divergence of ***humanoid*** and anthropoid
occuring, perhaps, between one and two million years ago."
                --New York Times, April 27, 1924

So two different reviews in two different newspapers on the same
day use "humanoid" in a very familiar way, suggesting its usage
predates this by quite a bit.

Here's another on the evolution of the human big toe and its
similarities to the great ape toe:

"This is the position that the line of leverage occupies in the
human foot, and the changed position gives the new line of
leverage the term ***'humanoid line.'*** The great significance
of the change lies in the fact that nowhere among mammals is
this ***humanoid*** line of leverage found except in man, the
anthropid apes and some of the largest South American monkeys.
It would be impossible to acocunt for it in man other than as an
inheritance from the grasping great ape type of foot." - -New
York Times, Feb. 17, 1924

Of course "humanoid" is just another way of saying "human-like."
Even if "humanoid" wasn't around in 1947, it seems a very flimsy
reason for rejecting somebody's statements today if he did use
the word, now very common, to describe something from 1947. It
would be like rejecting testimony if the witness used the word
"workaholic" instead of "hard worker" because the word didn't
exist back then.

Incidentally, the witness, Milton Sprouse, was indeed at Roswell
in 1947, shown 3 times in the yearbook, an engineering chief
with the 830th Bomb Squadron and listed as one of the "old men"
of the 509th Bomb Squadron. That seems like a much more
important point to me.

David Rudiak

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