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Re: Forged Documents

From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993.nul>
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 17:58:09 EDT
Archived: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 21:47:31 -0400
Subject: Re: Forged Documents

>From: Gildas Bourdais <bourdais.gildas.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 18:43:31 +0200
>Subject: Re: Forged Documents

>>From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 15:01:41 EDT
>>Subject: Re: Forged Documents

>>>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul>
>>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>>Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 09:26:14 -0500
>>>Subject: Re: Forged Documents

>>>>From: Gildas Bourdais <bourdais.gildas.nul>
>>>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>>>Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:55:34 +0200
>>>>Subject: Re: Forged Documents


>>In the 1990 census, there was a question about service in
>>Vietnam and some 13,000,000 people claimed such service. That
>>was 9,000,000 more than actually served... there was no point
>>in lying on the census form because no one was going to see it,
>>but lie they did.

>>So, I throw in with Jerry on this one. Some people just lie
>>about all sorts of things for all sorts of reasons. In some
>>cases we only need the black basket because the evidence is
>>overwhelming. We need to realize that some issues are black and


>Of course, there are clear cut, black and white cases. I am
>ready to admit that Bob Lazar was a total liar. However, I would
>like to have your opinion about the hypothesis that there may be
>complex actions of gradual release of information, leaving the
>possibility of 'plausible deniability'.

>Do you admit that possibility?

Gildas, List, All -

Of course I admit the possibility, but I believe it to be a
rather remote one. If it is in a gray basket, then that basket
is charcoal.

Here's why. For more than 50 years we have been hearing this.
The Day the Earth Stood Still (the old Michael Rennie movie of a
landing in Washington, D.C.) was supposed to be the first of the
conditioning tools. Close Encounters of the Third Kind another,
with the big revelations to come soon after the release of the
film. I don't think we're any closer today than we were fifty
years ago.

In fact, they had the perfect change during the 50th anniversary
in Roswell but chose, instead, to bury everything under more
dirt. I really had never understood why they felt it necessary
to reply to our claims of government cover up at all. Their most
intelligent course of action was to ignore us. Instead, they
gave us a certain level of respectability by addressing our

Yeah, they got away with the dumb Mogul explanation, but then we
didn't respond to that right either. I mean, we could have
pointed to Dr. Crary's diary where he said there was no flight
on June 4, and if there was no flight, then there was nothing to
drop debris on the Brazel (Foster) ranch.

Anyway, I suspect that we do more damage to ourselves than the
government ever did and that they feel no need to release any of
the information they have about Roswell. I don't believe there
is a machine spitting out disinformation (a la Kaufmann) because
there is no need to for it. There is always someone coming
forward with a bigger and better story.

So, no, I don't believe there is a campaign underway to release
any of the information they have. The closest we came to forcing
the issue was in the mid-1990s, and then we stumbled into
Dennis, Kaufmann, Ragsdale, Anderson, and a couple of others. We
managed to muddy the waters ourselves... and we continue to do
it when people want to know if Kaufmann was an agent of
disinformation. No, he was an opportunist.


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