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Re: Once More The Term 'Flying Saucers'

From: Martin Shough <parcellular.nul>
Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 09:45:05 +0100
Archived: Sat, 06 Oct 2007 09:26:45 -0400
Subject: Re: Once More The Term 'Flying Saucers'

>From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 12:33:09 EDT
>Subject: Re: Once More The Term 'Flying Saucers'

>>From: Greg Boone <Evolbaby.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 18:23:29 EDT
>>Subject: Once More The Term 'Flying Saucers'

>>Once again the gnawing problem about the term Flying Saucers is
>>bothering me.

>>If memory serves, Kenneth Arnold report didn't say he saw Flying
>>Saucers, he said something to the effect that the objects he
>>saw moved like when one skips saucers on water.

>>I buy this because a close friend of mine, a witness to a
>>daylight multiple sighting said the objects moved that way.

>>So if the term Flying Saucers was an error made by the press,
>>why do we have reports and pics of saucer shaped aircraft?

>>Are any pics prior to Arnold's sighting or any reports of such
>>shaped objects prior to Arnold?

>>If not, there's some s'plainin' to do.

>Greg, List, All,

>I love when this question comes up because there are so many
>fine answers to it. I'll just let the following give the
>explanation. From The Dennison Daily News reported on January
>25, 1878:

>Mr. John Martin, a farmer who lives some six miles south of this
>city, we learn the following strange story: Tuesday morning
>while out hunting, his attention was directed to a dark object
>high up in the northern sky. The peculiar shape and velocity
>with which the object seemed to approach riveted his attention
>and he strained his eves to discover its character. When first
>noticed, it appeared to be about the size of an orange, which
>continued to grow in size.

>After gazing at it for some time Mr. Martin became blind from
>long looking and left off viewing it for a time in order to rest
>his eyes. On resuming his view, the object was almost overhead
>and had increased considerably in size, and appeared to be going
>through space at wonderful speed.

>When directly over him it was about the size of a large saucer
>and was evidently at great height. Mr. Martin thought it
>resembled, as well as he could judge, a balloon. It went as
>rapidly as it had come and was soon lost to sight in the
>heavenly skies. Mr. Martin is a gentleman of undoubted veracity
>and this strange occurrence, if it was not a balloon, deserves
>the attention of our scientists.

>So, yes, he said it resembled a balloon but he also said that it
>was the size of a large saucer. I believe this is the first time
>that saucer was used in relation to UFOs. If I'm mistaken here,
>I'm sure that either Jerry Clark or David Rudiak will have the
>better information.

Kevin, Greg, et al.,

This oft-quoted precedent is a bit unsatisafactory in my opinion.
Note that Mr Martin described the object as successively "the
size of an orange" and "the size of a large saucer". It appears
quite clear that these objects are used to indicate relative
apparent size, not shape. He then says it actually resembled "a

No doubt there are a number of ancient references to flying
shields and what-not that have the same significance as the word
saucer, but there is at least one crockery reference that I know
of - not "in relation to UFOs" but then farmer Martin's usage was
not strictly in relation to UFOs either, there being none in
1897: And that is the story recorded by US Consul to Wales, Wirt
Sykes, in about 1880 in his gloriously-titled folklore collection
"British Goblins".

He gives the story of a man who on his way home was accosted by
the devil "in the shape of a round bowl". I'll look for the page
reference later if anyone is interested.

But it's somewhat discouraging that one has to rummage around
for a long time to find one or two ambiguous descriptions.

Martin Shough

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