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Re: Can Anyone Persuade CUFOS?

From: Eleanor White <eleanor.nul>
Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 15:45:23 -0400
Archived: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 16:37:33 -0400
Subject: Re: Can Anyone Persuade CUFOS?


>From: Richard Hall <dh12.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 10:40:07 -0400
>Subject: Re: Can Anyone Persuade CUFOS?

<snip>

>The study was not a CUFOS study.

That's strange... I did receive a couple of replies from
CUFOS, with them speaking as if it was their study, or
at least as if it were their data set.

>It was a joint project by the UFO Research Coalition. The
>project obtained lots of data, but ran out of funding. All you
>need to do, Eleanor, is send them a check for $5,000 and they
>will cheerfully have the data analyzed and release the findings
>publicly. There are no hidden secrets here and no duplicity. It
>would be a travesty of science to simply release the raw data,
>unless there were some highly qualified scientists willing to
>take it from there.

Well, Dick, I'm familiar with all of the environmental
parameters mentioned on the original SDI broadcast describing
the monitoring stations.

I can also read a log written by the abductees.

To say that a member of the public is not qualified to at least
get a fairly good idea if there were anomalous home
environmental parameters picked up at the dates and times of the
abductions, and which didn't show at other dates and times, is
simply untrue.

I don't need to wait a decade or two to be spoon fed the opinion
of "qualified scientists", thank you.

>I can. The public is not qualified to interpret the data.

Correction: Most members of the public are not well enough
versed in _statistical__analysis_ to do a job in that specific
arena equal to what a qualified scientist can do.

But many members of the public _are_ sufficiently familiar with
home environmental parameters, including intensities of
electric, magnetic, and electromagnetic fields, to at least see
if there are anomalous excursions which match the logged times
and dates of the abductions which may have occurred.

>>One abductee told me that a seniour MUFON member, MUFON
>>apparently involved as well, denied knowing about that
>>abductee's log sheets a while after the abductee handed them in.

>MUFON, FUFOR, and CUFOS = UFO Research Coalition. The MUFON
>person may well not have known about the data sheets. There was a
>careful chain of custody and division of duties, with double-
>blind methods built in.

I find it curious that the person to whom the abductee handed in
their handwritten log sheets couldn't remember that. That raises
a serious question, as I see it.

>There is no evasiveness. And if there were any such startling
>revelations we (the group) would announce them to science very
>quickly.

The abductee, whom I will not name unless they decide to
identify themselves, would disagree with you about there being
no evasiveness.

>Send the group money. "Viewing" is not an issue.

I'd be glad to send them the money to copy the data on to a CD
and photocopy the handwritten log sheets from the abductees with
the abductees' IDs blanked out.

>Data analysis is. The project is not designed or intended to be a
>public, democratic, National Enquirer let's all speculate to our
>hearts' content affair. It is/was a serious scientific study that
>needs further funding to complete the data analysis...

Releasing the data doesn't prevent complete data analysis when
funds become available.

And if the data were made public, it might well turn out that
someone with the necessary scientific/statistical skills would
voluntarily do a first class job of analysis, without the $5,000
price tag.


Eleanor White



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