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Re: Diversity Of UFO Morphology

From: Martin Shough <parcellular.nul>
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:17:19 +0100
Archived: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 11:00:25 -0400
Subject: Re: Diversity Of UFO Morphology

>From: Nick Balaskas <Nikolaos.nul>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 18:06:33 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
>Subject: Re: Diversity Of UFO Morphology

>>From: Joe Faccenda <Uforth.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 18:16:08 EDT
>>Subject: Re: Diversity Of UFO Morphology

>>>From: Richard Hall <dh12.nul>
>>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>>Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 09:45:25 -0400
>>>Subject: Re: Diversity Of UFO Morphology

>>>If we restrict the question to the photographic evidence alone,
>>>and even to 'saucer-like' objects, can anyone cite a pair of
>>>photos from independent sightings that depict objects that are
>>>a clear geometric match? If indeed there are none, is this not

>>Even though my Website is dedicated to UFO shapes and


>>I have to admit trying to find identical photos of the same
>>of craft is very difficult.


>The only clear geometric matches to the Heflin flat top flying
>saucer is a model train wheel! This daming match with a train
>wheel is further evidence that even experienced ufologists can
>be duped by clever hoaxers.

Without prejudice to the question of whether or not the Heflin
photos are fakes, this "clear match" is a claim with the
consistency of crazy rubber. No matter how many times it gets
batted away it just keeps bouncing back in different shapes. The
UpDates archive record will show that all examples offered to
date of a "precise match" between the Heflin object and a train
wheel have fallen foul of simple measurement.

There is some broad similarity, and it could perhaps be a wheel.
But yet again a cavalier claim of a "damning" and "clear" match
does nothing but erode the claimant's credibility.

Of course Nick will retreat to the weaker claim that the Heflin
object is near enough to the shapes of some train wheels to make
that a reasonable hypothesis, and pretend that this is the same

>On the subject of flying saucers, during my search through the
>University of Ottawa UFO archives (after many long visits there,
>I now have a complete set of my own on several DVDs which I can
>go through at my leisure!), Greg Boone and the others on the
>List would be interested in a UFO sighting made by John Martin
>from his farm on January 24(?), 1878 where he described these
>pesky UFOs as "saucer-shaped" (SB-1-P340, April 1967?).

No he didn't. He described it as "the size of an orange"
becoming "the size of a large saucer" and said it resembled "a
balloon". This was discussed not four days ago on this List in a
thread you were a participant in.


>Although Richard's question is a very important one, no matter
>how obvious the answer may be, there will be those stubborn ones
>that won't allow observation and simple facts to change their
>deeply held beliefs about UFOs.

None of us are quite as observant as we like to think, Nick, and
in my opinion it is those who deal carelessly with "simple fact"
who tend to have the stubbornest attachment to deeply held

Martin Shough

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