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Re: Once More The Term 'Flying Saucers'

From: Greg Boone <evolbaby.nul>
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 07:19:43 -0700
Archived: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:14:35 -0400
Subject: Re: Once More The Term 'Flying Saucers'


>From: David Rudiak <drudiak.nul>
>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 13:22:44 -0700
>Subject: Re: Once More The Term 'Flying Saucers'

>>From: Greg Boone <Evolbaby.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 18:23:29 EDT
>>Subject: Once More The Term 'Flying Saucers'

>>Once again the gnawing problem about the term Flying Saucers
>>is bothering me.

>>If memory serves, Kenneth Arnold report didn't say he saw Flying
>>Saucers, he said something to the effect that the objects he
>>saw moved like when one skips saucers on water.

>>I buy this because a close friend of mine, a witness to a
>>daylight multiple sighting said the objects moved that way.

>>So if the term Flying Saucers was an error made by the press,
>>why do we have reports and pics of saucer shaped aircraft?

>Several years after the fact Arnold insisted that he had been
>misquoted and had only referred to the motion as like saucers
>skipping off water, but the historical record conflicts with
>Arnold's memory of what he said.

>Arnold was quoted in multiple interviews immediately afterwards
>referring to the _shape_ of the objects as like a saucer, like a
>disc, like a pie pan, half-moon shaped, round in front but
>chopped in back, thin and flat, etc.

>In contrast, the motion he generally described as weaving like
>the tail of a Chinese kite or like fish flipping in the sun.

>These descriptions includes a still surviving recorded interview
>2 days after his sighting and his own written report plus a
>drawing he made about 3 weeks later to Army Air Force
>intelligence, so no chance that these represents misquotes.

>The shape and motion descriptions are summarized in a Wikipedia
>article on Arnold (I mostly wrote the relevant section):

>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Arnold

>There are more complete quotes from old Updates' posts of mine,
>but unfortunately the Net archive is currently inaccessible.

>Lots of UFO histories get it wrong, going by Arnold's later
>claim of what he said rather than the numerous statements he
>made immediately afterwards that conflict with his memory.
>Arnold in 1947 may very well have said that the motion resembled
>saucers skipping on water, but he also referred to the shape as
>saucer-like.

>When you think about it, why would he refer to "saucers"
>skipping on water? Most of us have probably skipped flat stones
>on water, but has anybody ever taken an actual saucer out of the
>cupboard and skipped it? If they weren't actually saucer-
>shaped, I think he more likely would have compared the motion to
>stones skipping on water rather than saucers.

>What I suspect he said at one point was something like, "They
>looked something like saucers, rounded in front and thin and
>flat, and also flew like a saucer would if skipped on water."
>For some reason, this later got truncated in his mind to only
>the latter motion description, which he thought got exaggerated
>by the press.


Thanks David!

Your data refreshes my memory about Arnold's interviews and
audio reports.

From the other responses to this thread again I see 1947 as
something I call The Convergence, meaning that point in time
when our technology and communication systems allowed humanity
to converge that data and technology to address the UFO
situation on a mass scale. For the first time we found similar
stories from around the world and continue to this day.

From these responses of historical data to this thread, I can
see that at times earlier than Arnold's sighting objects seen
and reported as saucer shaped or saucer like were already in the
mix and Arnold's sighting and report brought these prior
sightings into play. Apparently seeing saucer shaped craft had
been going on for a long time just no one had done so en masse
and with the radio, print, motion picture vias.

Tales of flying or burning shields are interesting but not all
shields are round. Various geometric shapes were used for
shields and it depends on the culture to discern which shape
applies.

Methinks our visitors got caught by surprise by our ability to
communicate then and our ability to detect them via radar and
photography. Not only that but those atomic bombs may have
alerted to them that we were smarter than the average bear.

It's as I mentioned earlier, it may not be what we're doing
that's alarmed them, but our potential, that's alarming.


Best,

Greg
ufomafia.com


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