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Re: Splendid UFO Video From Avebury Engeland

From: Martin Shough <parcellular.nul>
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 23:35:41 +0100
Archived: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 22:14:31 -0400
Subject: Re: Splendid UFO Video From Avebury Engeland

>From: Nick Balaskas <nikolaos.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 16:19:31 -0400
>Subject: Re: Splendid UFO Video From Avebury Engeland

>>From: Martin Shough <parcellular.nul>
>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 15:32:46 +0100
>>Subject: Re: Splendid UFO Video From Avebury Engeland

>>>From: Bert Reijersen van Buuren <a.w.r.v.b.nul>
>>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>>Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 08:24:26 +0200
>>>Subject: Splendid UFO Video From Avebury Engeland

>>>Splendid UFO video from Avebury Engeland. 9.54 minutes.

>>>The area is shown by daylight in last portion of video.



>>The general pattern is bright lights low over the horizon
>>drifting, very slowly, generally down and to the left,
>>disappearing below the horizon as others appear at the back of
>>the "queue", top right. (Obviously the "spinning top" shapes
>>are just the usual video artefact; you can see the actual sharp
>>appearance of the lights during the early frames when the
>>horizon is in focus and the foreground foliage is out of focus;
>>then at about 18 secs the foliage is brought into focus and the
>>little lights turn into saucers).

>I fully agree with you Martin in your analysis and with your
>conclusion that these "saucers" are just video camera artefacts
>of distant out-of-focus point light sources.

>>My first thought was that these are the landing lights of
>>distant planes queueing for approach at a large airport. But the
>>voices mention that the lights are in the direction of Devises,
>>which would be SW of Avebury. There are no sizeable airports
>>accepting scheduled passenger jets in that direction.

>>Helicopter or other air activity associated with a military
>>field like RNAS Yeovilton might be a possible, but that's about
>>50 miles away. A better candidate might be a flare drop during
>>a military exercise over the Army Training Estate on Salisbury
>>Plain about 15-20 miles SW of Avebury.

>Your first thought that these UFOs are landing lights of distant
>planes is the correct one but you dismiss it with the false
>statement that there are no sizeable airports in that

Whilst accepting that you are an acknowledged expert in the area
of dismissing with false statements, what I actually did here
was re-prioritise a theory from #1 to #2 on the strength of the
correct statement that there are no major passenger airports
tens of miles SW of Avebury. Your contention that Heathrow, or
even Bristol, is located SW of Avebury is not only false but

>There are many, including Bristol International Airport a few
>miles to the west and Heathrow International Airports - one of
>the busiest passenger airports in the world - to the east.

London Heathrow is far to the E of Avebury, Wiltshire. Why
landing planes would be queueing over the countryside of S
Somerset far to the SW of Avebury beats me, but doesn't faze you
apparently - why not toss in Gatwick, Stanstead, Birmingham and
Glasgow as well?

Bristol is at least W of Avebury. However a line of sight
through Devises as reported would be about 35 degs away from
Bristol. Now it is true that this is only about 25 miles at the
same range, and queueing planes at a busy major airport might
stack up seconds apart at this distance from the runway, but
even if this describes Bristol the direction of motion of the
lights descending below the horizon from right to left is to the
South. They are heading away from Bristol which is in the
opposite direction. So this is one factor in my decision to re-
prioritise the landing lights theory down to #2.

Of course there is Bournmouth, on the coast 50 miles due S of
Avebury; but in that case the planes would be in a queue about
35 miles NW of the airport. And Bournemouth is not the sort of
major hub that has arrivals stacked up seconds apart like
Heathrow. Or what about Exeter so-called "International
Airport"? That's in the right direction, but about 90 miles
away, and handles almost entirely internal UK flights, mostly
small FlyBe's to the N of England.

>Living below one of the flight paths to nearby Toronto's Pearson
>International Airport, what was depicted in this "UFO" video is
>a common sight for me.

Do you think the resemblance to queueing planes could be why I
mentioned this as a possible theory?

I'm not saying it's impossible, just less likely than it seems
at first sight, especially given the similarity also to a
military flare drop and the fact that the direction reported
happens to be that of the Salisbury Plain army training area.

>>It's interesting to compare the lights with the "Phoenix
>>videos so thoroughly studied by Bruce Maccabee at


>I am very disappointed since I expected to read something
>better thought out and more rational from you.

Nick, frankly I doubt that you would recognise "rational" if it
came up and bit you so I am not disheartened.

>Here you go from pure
>speculation to the ridiculous - unless you are suggesting that
>the "UFOs" in the Phoenix Lights videos are landing lights of
>distant aircraft too.

Excuse me? You've just upbraided me for _not_ keeping landing
lights at the top of my list, and for favouring flares instead;
and here you speak derisively of what you now seem to think is my
attempt to explain the Avebury lights and the Phoenix lights as
landing lights!

Bruce Macabee's exemplary analysis has nothing whatsoever to do
with landing lights. It is an analysis of the flare theory. It
rather conclusively confirms the flare theory, which is why I
adduced it. As usual you are illogical, ill-informed and prone
to wild assumptions. And you accuse _me_ of a flight of fancy
even more ridiculous than pure speculation when I suggest a
similarity between this video and the Phoenix lights?

>At least then you would have a solid basis
>in fact for this conclusion from testimony of Dr. Lynne Kitei's
>neighbours who are also witnesses to the growing commercial
>aviation activity (or UFO activity as Dr. Kitei would have us
>believe in her best selling book) in the sky over Phoenix.

>But since I am not one to attack and destroy the beliefs of

But you are. Nick, this is fantastic nonsense. You just argued
that the "splendid UFO video" offered by Bert is only aircraft
landing lights. Do try to gain some self-knowledge before your
next post, because the disconnect between who you think you are
and the person revealed in your increasingly irrational screeds
is becoming embarrassing.

>I will go along and agree that this UFO video from
>Avebury is indeed a splendid one! Out of curiousity, were any
>new crop circles discovered in the general direction of that
>distant tree on the following day as one of the eyewitnesses
>heard on the video is seemingly very confident would be?

A conscientious respondant would wish to address this but it is
such incoherent twaddle on so many levels that no sensible mind
could possibly conceive a response to it.

Martin Shough

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