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Re: Rudy Giuliani On 'Alien Attack'

From: Brian Ally <ufoupdates.nul>
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 13:54:11 -0400
Archived: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 18:59:19 -0400
Subject: Re: Rudy Giuliani On 'Alien Attack'

>From: Nick Balaskas <Nikolaos.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 01:09:29 -0400
>Subject: Re: Rudy Giuliani On 'Alien Attack'

>>From: Brian Ally <ufoupdates.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 14:44:08 -0400
>>Subject: Re: Rudy Giuliani On 'Alien Attack'

>>>From: Nick Balaskas <Nikolaos.nul>
>>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates.nul>
>>>Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 11:00:24 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
>>>Subject: Re: Rudy Giuliani On 'Alien Attack'


>>>After a second airplane crashed into the other 110 story WTC
>>>skyscraper, Giuliani decided to abandon his re-enforced and
>>>fire-proofed command center in the undamaged WTC Building 7 -
>>>just before his friend Larry Silverstein, the landlord of the
>>>WTC complex, decided to "pull" this building, a 47 story
>>>skyscraper. The quick and clean collapse of WTC Building 7 would
>>>have only been possible if explosives were already in place in
>>>this building where Giuliani's command center was located and
>>>this could only have been set up weeks if not months before 911.
>>>I wonder if New York Mayor Giuliani's office issued the city
>>>work permits for these explosives to be pre-placed in Building 7
>>>where he had his re-enforced and fire-proofed command center.

>>>If there ever is an alien invasion, past UFO incidents lead me
>>>to believe that this invasion would be to protect us from our
>>>own dangerous and evil leaders such as Giuliani who now has set
>>>his sight in ruling the world as President of the U.S.!

>>Good grief! What cartoon existence are you inhabiting, Nick?
>>Please take the WTC demolition nonsense to some other list. I
>>was under the impression that this one attempts to deal with
>>reality (yes, i can hear the snickering from the UFO-skeptics).

>Greetings Brian - or is it Charlie Brown? ;o)

>Since ufology, as any science, is an integral part of this world
>one cannot study or fully understand it in total isolation from
>everything else, including politics. What little we know about
>UFOs and the intelligence behind it has largely been through the
>logical and rational deductions made by researchers, no matter
>how silly or unlikely they may seem. One should never allow the
>fear of ridicule, including from our colleagues on this List, to
>prevent them from voicing their observations and sharing their
>own deductions. It hasn't prevented me! This is how human
>knowledge advances, and by challenging accepted views, this is
>also a way that we can eventually uncover the "real" truth from
>the official truth.

Agreed. I think it's a mistake to look at these things in

>Today I purchased a copy of the book Skunk Works for only $2
>at a downtown thrift shop which I started reading tonight. It
>was written by Ben Rich, the former secretive head of Lockheed's
>Skunk Works. Things that were once thought to be possible only
>in the realm of fiction or cartoons such as Buck Rogers, is
>revealed in this book to be much closer to reality than any of
>us self-professed experts and snickering UFO-skeptics ever

I have a copy and it's a fine book, indeed. It is true that
advances in aerospace technology - as with computing, medicine,
and physics - over the past 100 years or so have been quite

>Now that the American people are preparing to cast their ballots
>for the next President which will directly or indirectly impact
>the lives of over 6 billion Earthlings, one should not just
>listen to the words of the candidates as to what they would do
>during a hostile attack on the U.S., alien or otherwise, but to
>also reflect on the actions of these candidates on 911 when
>America was attacked by its enemies, foreign and/or domestic.

Agreed. The attacks of 2001-09-11 were shocking enough without
the craven deer-in-the-headlights display put on by the supposed
Decider-in-Chief. Of course, he's always been simply a puppet,
so what more could we expect? The people who really do run
things in the US were already busy down in their bunker as the
smoke poured from the Pentagon.

So, yes, i agree that citizens should pay more attention to what
it is they are casting their votes for.

>Although you may care to differ, should there ever be a hostile
>alien attack, I would prefer to have someone like President
>Thomas Whitmore (in the movie 'Independence Day' or 'ID4' played
>by actor Bill Pullman) or President Ronald Reagan (playing
>himself) rather than the more dubious President James Dale (in
>'Mars Attacks!' played by actor Jack Nicholson) or the less
>sincere President Rudy Giuliani.

Well, the thing is, i was responding to your suggestions that
the WTC was taken down with explosives. These are tired
arguments that - in my mind - serve only to help those people
who would rather not have their actions on, and leading up to,
that day be scrutinised. These ridiculous charges that the
buildings were rigged with explosives and breathless
pronouncements that the buildings could not have otherwise
collapsed at "near free-fall speeds" (see: gravity) cause *any*
demands that certain authorities be brought to account over the
failures on that day be treated as so much hand-waving
"conspiracy theories".

I know that, if I were one of those people trying to avoid that
spotlight of accountability, I'd be busily posting graphic
"scientific proof" to all of the various "Loose Change"
affiliated websites out there in order to keep the pot stirred.
In that regard, the "9-11 Truth Movement" has come to resemble
the sort of disinformation campaigns we've seen aimed at the UFO
question (my attempt to bring this back toward the purpose of
this list, as I really don't want to encourage a "WTC
demolition" thread).

Sorry, Nick, I should have snipped out that last bit of your
comment so as to make myself clear.


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