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Re: Is Ufology 'Anti-Science'?

From: Gerald O'Connell <gac.nul>
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:29:45 +0100
Archived: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:59:54 -0400
Subject: Re: Is Ufology 'Anti-Science'?

>From: Eleanor White <eleanor.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 10:10:08 -0400
>Subject: Re: Is Ufology 'Anti-Science'?

>>From: Gerald O'Connell <gac.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 11:08:05 +0100
>>Subject: Re: Is Ufology 'Anti-Science'?


>>>Yessir. It is obvious to me.

>>This exactly what I mean by uncritically USA-centric thinking.
>>You have no basis whatsoever for your belief that the influence
>>of the USA government and its various agencies extends as far as
>>'every world leader' in this matter - a belief that flies in the
>>face of any sane interpretation of world events over the past
>>sixty years - and yet it is obvious to you.

>Sorry - you are free to interpret the last 60 years as you wish.
>What I've learned in that time frame doesn't lead me to your
>conclusion. I've also probably come across information you
>haven't, which isn't unusual.

>This isn't a forum for world events, but evidence to
>support my opinion is abundantly available.
>It works like this:

>_No_ leader arrives in their position without considerable
>support of others. Leadership is always a group effort.

>Human motives are a very mixed bag, some in support of the
>general good, some not. Because holding power is always a group
>effort, when the group engages in activity not in support of the
>general good, that is criminal and is by definition, a

>Conspiracies are just as normal to human groups as are actions
>in support of the general good. "As common as pigeons in a
>park", in other words.

>And holding the power of government is extremely tempting to
>personality components which are interested in things other than
>supporting the general good.

>To deny that isn't engaging reality, in my opinion. But you are
>free to hold to your ideas, I won't try to stop you.


First of all, I must say how reassuring it is to be able to have
a fundamental disagreement with somebody on the List without it
descending into personalised invective. I have nothing but
respect for your manner of conducting the discussion, and will
do my utmost to return the compliment.

I would be the last person to deny that conspiracies exist, that
they are endemic, and that they have a far-reaching effect on
human affairs. The problem I have with your position is one of
sheer practicality: the long-term global conspiracy implied by
your views would be impossible to sustain in a situation where
the USA has a host of political enemies. Do saucers only crash
in the USA? Are crashed saucers only retrieved in the USA? There
is an almost endless series of questions such as these, and we
all know that the UFO phenomenon is truly global. Therefore, the
most credible answers to these questions will inevitably, given
their political context, lead to the conclusion that there is
something profoundly wrong with the idea that there is a
worldwide stack of hard evidence that the USA government and its
secret agencies have been successful in suppressing for the past
sixty years.

I am sure that you have sound reasons of your own for suspecting that
there is such a grand conspiracy in place. All I can ask is that you
reconsider the conclusions you have drawn, and that you do this by
stopping to think for a while about how the world looks from Teheran,
Havana, Moscow, Damascus or Tripoli (if that is too general an
invitation, think about it in terms of 'opportunities for
de-stabilisation'). I believe that if you conduct such an exercise, your
views on the grand conspiracy will be tempered, and It is also my
opinion that once this happens you will be a little closer (I'm talking
about a yard or two closer to something a hundred miles away - no great
claim, I admit!) to a true understanding of the nature of the
bewildering and elusive phenomena that so intrigue us both.

-- Gerald O'Connell

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