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Re: Is Ufology 'Anti-Science'?

From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul>
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:49:07 -0500
Archived: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 06:58:47 -0400
Subject: Re: Is Ufology 'Anti-Science'?

>From: Gerald O'Connell <gac.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 22:38:32 +0100
>Subject: Re: Is Ufology 'Anti-Science'?

>>From: Stanton Friedman <fsphys.nul com>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul net
>>Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:29:41 -0400 (EDT)
>>Subject: Re: Is Ufology 'Anti-Science'?

>>>From: Gerald O'Connell <gac.nul>
>>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>>Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:29:45 +0100
>>>Subject: Re: Is Ufology 'Anti-Science'?

>The third reason I give for the cover up in my UFO Why Questions
>at my website is that any public announcement of the reality of
>alien visitors could well move the younger generation to start
>thinking of themselves as Earthlings instead of as Americans,
>Russians, Cubans etc. I know of no country that wants its
>citizens to owe their primary allegiance to the planet instead
>of to that country. It seems to me that Nationalism is the only
>game in town. People in power want to stay in power.


While it is certainly true that cynical leaders manipulate
love of country for their own purposes (it's happening right now
even as I type, in fact, in a little place called Washington,
D.C., or Moscow, or Caracas, or Havana, or fill-in-the-blank),
your remarks still manage to betray a fundamental grasp of the
notion of patriotism, which you presume is synonymous with
nationalism. In fact, the two are radically un-alike, as Orwell
wrote in his famous Notes On Nationalism essay in 1945:

"By 'nationalism' I mean first of all the habit of assuming that
human beings can be classified like insects and that whole
blocks of millions or tens of millions of people can be
confidently labeled 'good' or 'bad.' But secondly - and this is
much more important - I mean the habit of identifying oneself
with a single nation or other unit, placing it beyond good and
evil and recognizing no other duty than that of advancing its

"Nationalism is not to be confused with patriotism. Both words
are normally used in so vague a way that any definition is
liable to be challenged, but one must draw a distinction between
them, since two different and even opposing ideas are involved.
By 'patriotism' I mean devotion to a particular place and a
particular way of life, which one believes to be the best in the
world but has no wish to force on other people. Patriotism is of
its nature defensive, both militarily and culturally.
Nationalism, on the other hand, is inseparable from the desire
for power. The abiding purpose of every nationalist is to secure
more power and more prestige, not for himself but for the nation
or other unit in which he has chosen to sink his own

I consider myself an American patriot, but that in no way
interferes with my belief in internationalism and regard for
other nations and cultures, any more than the love I feel for my
own family negates my respect for the equal rights and values of
other families. If you want to make an argument, you - and
Gerald, too - need to do it with more nuance and less simple-

Jerry Clark

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