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Re: Scully Hoax FBI March 1950 Memo

From: Frank Warren <frank-warren.nul>
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 16:19:32 -0700
Archived: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 15:25:48 -0400
Subject: Re: Scully Hoax FBI March 1950 Memo


>From: Brad Sparks <RB47x.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 18:50:42 EDT
>Subject: Scully Hoax FBI March 1950 Memo [was: UFO Researcher Set To Land In The MUB]

>>From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 08:32:09 -0400
>>Subject: UFO UpDate: UFO Researcher Set To Land In The MUB

>>Source: The New Hampshire - Student Publication The University
>>        Of New Hampshire - Durham, USA

>http://tinyurl.com/24joze

>>10/23/07

>>UFO Researcher Set To Land In The MUB
>>Meg Power

>>A declassified FBI memo, dated March 22, 1950, states that
>>'flying saucers' had been recovered in New Mexico, after a crash
>>landing. That document is just one of the pieces of evidence
>>Robert Hastings uses in his lecture, UFOs: The Secret Story.
>>Hastings will be at UNH this coming Saturday at 7:00 p.m. in the
>>Strafford Room.

>This is the Scully hoax all over again. The FBI memo was _not_
>declassified. It was never classified in the first place. It
>reported a rumor that had already been well publicized for
>months, with this version appearing in the Wyandotte Echo
>newspaper on Jan. 6, 1950.

Brad,

I just couldn't resist...

Curious that you refer to the FBI doc as the Scully Hoax,
Scully, Newton and or GeBauer aren't mentioned.

Although I agree that this particular doc isn't classified, most
(pertaining to Flying Saucers and in particular Aztec) back then
were; in the very least they were classified, Restricted, and or
Confidential.

This doc is in small part redacted and was obtained through a
FOIA request.

The doc in question states, an investigator for the Air Forces
stated that three so-called flying saucers had been recovered in
New Mexico.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Wyandotte Echo article doesn't
mention an investigator for the Air Forces does it? Moreover the
article talks about 2 flying saucers, and the FBI doc refers to
3.

>The baloney about the US radar interferes with the controlling
>mechanism of the saucers in the March 1950 FBI memo comes
>straight out of the Wyandotte Echo story of January 1950 from
>car dealer Rudy Fick who got it from Coulter - Scully friend
>George Koehler, a radio station ad manager in Denver.

Your inference re the radar in regards to the propulsion systems
of UFOs would seem to indicate that you are privy to their
operation as to rule out the effect of high power radar beams on
said craft. I certainly would like to here how you arrived at
these conclusions.

Additionally, although the article mentioned crashing through
the gate of a radar installation (the witness), does it in fact
state that high power radar beams caused it to crash?

>The Koehler story in Jan 1950 said radar waves interfere with
>their control systens. That's two months _before_ the FBI memo.

>Air Force OSI documents copy and even type out this Jan 1950
>newspaper clipping onto official-looking memos so the article is
>readable, without commenting on any of the contents. Someone
>looking at such a typed out story on an official-looking AFOSI
>memo might mistakenly get the wrong impression that the AF was
>endorsing the contents, when it was merely copying in readable
>form a fantastic newsclipping. Then they pass their rumor to the
>rumor-loving FBI.

There are AFOSI docs marked Priority X classified, Confidential,
dated Jan 13th quoting the newspaper article... that's two
months before the FBI doc, whats' your point?

Memos from the FBI, AFOSI, and or the CIC aren't official
looking, they are in fact official given there origin.

The OSI docs that I have refer to the article, date and
newspaper of origin, and do make comment on the piece, as well
as the further actions that will proceed.

>We know that even people outside the government got to see these
>AF documents. Washington columnist Drew Pearson reported in his
>Nov. 25, 1950, column that he personally saw a confidential Air
>Force report on the hoaxed George Koehler story of saucer
>remains.

It would seem that the Air Force chose to classify their
information on Koehler, whereas the FBI didn't (at least in
part) as you point out.

It is essential to bring to light, after the fact, that there
were indeed high powered radar stations in the Four Corners
area, as borne out by Scott Ramsey's research.


Respectfully,

Frank Warren




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