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Re: Is Ufology 'Anti-Science'?

From: Gerald O'Connell <gac.nul>
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 17:33:16 +0100
Archived: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 09:35:51 -0400
Subject: Re: Is Ufology 'Anti-Science'?


>From: Stanton Friedman <fsphys.nul com>
>To: ufoupdates.nul net
>Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:29:41 -0400 (EDT)
>Subject: Re: Is Ufology 'Anti-Science'?

>>From: Gerald O'Connell <gac.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:29:45 +0100
>>Subject: Re: Is Ufology 'Anti-Science'?

>>I am sure that you have sound reasons of your own for suspecting
>>that there is such a grand conspiracy in place. All I can ask is
>>that you reconsider the conclusions you have drawn, and that you
>>do this by stopping to think for a while about how the world
>>looks from Teheran, Havana, Moscow, Damascus or Tripoli (if that
>>is too general an invitation, think about it in terms of
>>'opportunities for de-stabilisation'). I believe that if you
>>conduct such an exercise, your views on the grand conspiracy
>>will be tempered, and It is also my opinion that once this
>>happens you will be a little closer (I'm talking about a yard or
>>two closer to something a hundred miles away - no great claim, I
>>admit!) to a true understanding of the nature of the bewildering
>>and elusive phenomena that so intrigue us both.

>Gerald:

>You seem to be ignoring the fact that opposing forces may take
>similar actions but for different reasons and without
>conspiring. The United States didn't go public with its
>blatantly illegal U-2 flights over the USSR, because it did not
>want to fess up to the illegal behavior. The Soviets protested
>through diplomatic channels, but not publicly because they did
>not want to admit they could do nothing to stop the flights.
>Once they shot down Gary Powers and displayed him, the wreckage,
>camera etc. they made much noise.

>In 2001 The US finally admitted to families of 166 crew members
>of military recon aircraft that had been shot down while heading
>towards or over North Korea, China, or the USSR. Some events had
>happened more than 50 years earlier. The families had all been
>lied to. We shot down some Soviet planes... again without
>publicity... or conspiracy. See William Burrows fine book By
>Any Means Necessary.

>The third reason I give for the cover up in my UFO Why Questions
>at my website is that any public announcement of the reality of
>alien visitors could well move the younger generation to start
>thinking of themselves as Earthlings instead of as Americans,
>Russians, Cubans etc. I know of no country that wants its
>citizens to owe their primary allegiance to the planet instead
>of to that country. It seems to me that Nationalism is the only
>game in town. People in power want to stay in power.

Stan,

Your argument here feels to me as though it is a last ditch
post-rationalization of a position that just doesn't stack up
against the evidence. And, once again in this discussion, there
is a great deal of USA-centric thinking at the root of it.

It makes a lot of sense if you are the world's number one
superpower to work hard to conceal evidence that you are
actually highly vulnerable. But if you are an also-ran in the
power stakes, there is much to be gained by revealing that
vulnerability - not least a levelling of the global playing
field. Smart strategists would pick up on that and take the
chance. This is especially true of smart strategists who have
established a strong degree of control over their own national
media. They could easily decide to back their own ability to
'manage' the situation domestically while the media in the USA
and other western democracies went berserk in an orgy of
sensationalist de-stabilization.

This in turn undermines your argument about a younger generation
starting to think of themselves as earthlings: in California,
yes; in North Korea, no. 'The reality of alien visitors' might
play well in Berkeley and Dallas, but in Beirut and Damascus it
would be the latest instalment in a catalogue of decadent
imperialist machinations.

All of which is to argue the point from a tacit acceptance of
your view that those in power will always behave cynically in
order to preserve that power. I'm not convinced, however that
that is always the case. Leaders are capable of acts of
altruism, and in Chavez you have a leader who has raised the
altruistic gesture almost to an art form. While the CIA labours
unsuccessfully to engineer his downfall, he funds children's
orchestras and offers cheap fuel to financially challenged
American city councils during cold weather. If he could, I think
he would derive enormous enjoyment from blowing the lid off UFO
secrecy in a way that would undermine the existing global status
quo - and he's got his own weekly TV show on which to showcase
all the smoking guns, saucer wreckage and charred alien remains!


-- Gerald O'Connell




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