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Re: 'Operation Saucer' The Real Evidence

From: A. J. Gevaerd - Revista UFO <aj.nul>
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 19:56:15 -0300
Archived: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 10:26:48 -0400
Subject: Re: 'Operation Saucer' The Real Evidence

>From: Kentaro Mori <kentaro.mori.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 22:34:45 -0300
>Subject: Re: 'Operation Saucer' The Real Evidence

>>From: A. J. Gevaerd - Revista UFO <aj.nul>
>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 10:10:23 -0300
>>Subject: Re: 'Operation Saucer' The Real Evidence

>>It is not correct, as affirmed in this post, that the OS team
>>only had a few men. It was so in the very beginning, but with
>>the increase of the UFO activity in the area, when they started
>>to come closer and closer to the military - "as if they knew
>>what we were doing there and wanted us to know about them", said
>>Hollanda to me - many more men joined to original team. Over 30+
>>military camped on the main beaches of Colares by November and
>>December 1977, everybody in Colares will tell you so. But
>>someone would only know that after doing a proper check, after
>>talking to many people, after cross-checking witnesses' reports.

>That's not true. You certainly know these people were
>_observers_ and _informants_, not members of the Operation.
>Hollanda himself clearly stated that the Operation had five men
>under his command, plus assorted informants and observers. But
>these were not members of the Operation, they didn't spend
>months working directly on it, they were not under his command.

All together I estimate that about a 100 people had direct
contact with OS activities, some during all the 4 months it
lasted, some for a few occasions that could last from hours to
weeks. Observers, informers, visitants, friends invited by
Hollanda, journalists accepted at the places, families of some
military, whatever. However, the total military that camped in
the Humait=E1 Beach went up to 30+ at OS last weeks. Any people in
Colares would tell you that. Most men were from the Brazilian
Air Force Base in Bel=E9m, a few from the Federal Police, a few
from the Army, a few from Navy, a few from the Military regime's
SNI (National Intelligence Service) etc. You name them.

>If you read the reports you yourself publicized, you can confirm
>that. If you talk with knowleadgeable witnesses, they will know
>these many people were only observers sent periodically from the
>Capital as the events got more attention. That is actual cross-

If I read the reports I published? Oh yeah! So did you, and it
is from them that you have most of your info. The difference is
that I did several trips to the afftected areas and many, many
hours with at least 30 people to get the whole story together.
For your info, and you need it, military was sent to Colares
from a number of locations in and outside Brazil. From Brasilia,
Fortaleza, Sao Paulo, Rio, Sao Jose dos Campos, USA, to name a
few. Observers, informers, visitants, friends invited by
Hollanda, SNI, whatever

>If you have proof that the operation involved more than six men,
>contrary to what the reports state, contrary to what Hollanda
>clearly stated to you, then please present the evidence.

It is not a matter of proof or disproof. Simply, many people at
Colares and Bel=E9m just said and confirmed to me (and to other
researchers) that at the last weeks of the OS there were some
30+ military camped at the beach. Read their reports again and
get a better picture. I have published them many times. Check ot
Brazilian UFO Magazines editions 114, 115, 116 and 117, for

>>We are not talking of a mere ball of light in sky at some
>>distance. We are talking about a consistent pattern of
>>observations that happened daily and many times during the day,
>>of some very specific types of objects (during the day, and
>>lights during the nights), that also had an specific behavior in
>>approaching the witnesses and finally had an specific m. o. when
>>attacking them. Also, victims had wounds in a very consistent

>Exactly like the Muchnowa, which as it seems you dismiss without
>ever going to India to investigate it. Or, from your complete
>ignorance about its characteristics, seems not to even have read
>about. The Muchnowa was not a "mere ball of light in sky at some
>distance". It was reported almost exactly like the "Chupa-chupa"
>(Suck-suck), and reportedly inflicted "consistent" wounds on its
>victims, with an "intelligent" behaviour, etc.

I _never_ said that the Muchnowa events were a "mere ball of
light..." What I said it that the SS in the Amazon wasn't a
"mere ball of light..." Read it again. And I read about the
Muchnowa events and I found very little similarities between
they and SS in the Amazon.

>>As for the
>>Fernando Costa's interview, as I stated in my previous post, I
>>will only comment on that after I speak with the man face to

>You have never spoken to Fernando, as I confirmed with him. It's
>amazing you claim you will speak face to face with someone you
>never even exchanged an email, spoken on the phone, or met "face
>to face".

Again, read my post correctly. I never said that I have spoken
with Fernand. What I said is that I will comment on his claims
_after_ I meet him in person. What its amazing about that?
You think I shouldn't meet the man? What is your point?
You may don't like it but I will try to meet the man and hear
directly from him what he has to say. And I will do so, you like
it or not. Unless he doesn't want to meet me. And if that
happens, why would that be?

>Anyway. The documents and testimonials publicized through your
>work, as full-time editor of a UFO magazine, are indeed
>valuable. Your work in this regard must be acknowledged. But I
>don't see any reason to dismiss other people's work, or
>overstating the facts.

The facts about OS and SS are already extraordinary and
overwhelming. They don't need to be overstated. And sure, there
is no reason to dismiss anybody else's work, and I will not be
the one to do that. So far, after so many years pursuing the OS
and SS phenomena, I have met dozens of people, and have teamed
up with many of them. They all bring a piece to this big puzzle.
The problem with you, and it is clear to everyone, that your
intentions are to decrease the importance of the OS. In your
very first report about it you said that "there is little
concrete evidence of the OS". You are wrong and you know it. The
situation around OP is bigger than you and I, and your attempts
to discredit it, as you tried in the past to discredit other
Brazilian UFO cases, should and will be repelled.

>The Operation Saucer was hardly the biggest in the world, and
>despite all the reports and testimonials people like you and now
>me - speaking with only one direct witness - have publicized,
>there's indeed litte _concrete_ evidence available.

Well, I don't think that at this point I should try to convince
you otherwise. Keep your opinion.

>The leaked photographs are of almost no use, and Fernando
>Costa's testimonial _suggests_ some of them may have been of
>simple stars and other objects, enlarged and cropped. Even the
>many other photos that Fernando didn't develop and are still
>classified may have been of similar quality, as those who
>visited the Air  Force, including you, have seen and admitted.

I have seen at least some 100+ photos of the OS, and you
probably have seen some 20+, much probably the ones that I have
published. So I have seen 5x more photos than you and then I
have a bigger info about them. What you don't realize is that
some other people have seem 5x more pictures that I did, many
times more than you did, people with full access to the place
where they are kept until know. And they surely have much bigger
picture then us both. I have met a few of them and what they all
describe of what they saw could in no way be explained as
"simples stars and other objects".

The fact that the photos are in bad quality, out of focus,
blurred etc doesn't disqualify them as evidences, even though
they are of not much help to any investigatgion. And I have
agreed with that since the beginning of my investigatgions of
the OS, many years ago.

The OS photos may not be good to any analytical study of the UFO
phenomena, and for that purpose we have much better ones. What
they are is _real_ and _undisputable_ evidence of a _clear_ and
_amazing_ series of military secret actions to investigate to
document, and to have a direct contact with the "intelligences
behind the SS phenomena".

A. J. Gevaerd

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