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Re: Menzel As Codebreaker Not In MJ-12 Eisenhower

From: Brad Sparks <RB47x.nul>
Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 04:29:25 EDT
Archived: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 11:40:37 -0400
Subject: Re: Menzel As Codebreaker Not In MJ-12 Eisenhower

>From: Stan Friedman <fsphys.nul>
>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 17:16:43 -0300
>Subject: Re: New Revelations On Origins Of MJ-12

>>From: Brad Sparks <RB47x.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 07:37:06 EDT
>>Subject: Re: New Revelations On Origins Of MJ-12

>>>From: Stan Friedman <fsphys.nul>
>>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>>Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 23:30:09 -0300
>>>Subject: Re: New Revelations On Origins Of MJ-12


>>>Thus your two big objections to the EBD also fall far short when
>>>examined dispassionately.

>>>Yes, your case against the EBD and CT is closed and fails.

>>But I agree with you when you wrote in TS/Majic that the EBD and
>>CTM "must have been created" by an "insider" and you named
>>"insider... Richard Doty of OSI" - who was active in the 1980's
>>not the the 1950's. If the MJ-12 documents were only created in
>>the 80's then their 1952 and 1954 dates are false and the
>>documents are frauds. I agree. You need to agree with yourself
>>and close the case.

>Of course Doty was a candidate... how many OSI names did we


Yes. Candidate for forging the MJ-12 Eisenhower Briefing.

So you admit as you wrote in your book that the EBD "must have
been created by an insider" in the 1980's such as "insider ...
Richard Doty of OSI" and not in the 1950's by a real MJ-12.
(Friedman, TS/Majic, pp. 138-9.)

Why are we even having this argument then? Why do you resist
what you yourself realized when you wrote your book??

>Sorry Brad, but both your arguments about the EBD are

>You have noted, I am sure, that the parenthetical (see Attachment
>B or C or D or E or F or G) is not preceded by a name in any of
>these six cases.

>You, for whatever reason, chose to leave out (see Attachment
>"E")just after the comment about the symbols. In all cases there
>is no name preceding the (See__). When names are used such as
>Bronk or Menzel, they are not followed by a (See attachment--)
>Clearly Hillenkoetter followed a pattern of giving major info in
>the Attachments and less significant info in the EBD Text.

You, for whatever reason, chose to leave out "See Attachment 'A.'"

Your argument is preposterous and refuted on page two of the EBD
where Truman, Bush and Forrestal are named and then their
names are "followed" by reference to "See Attachment 'A,' "
contrary to your claimed "pattern" of how the document was

But the real issue, which you avoid, is how anyone reading the
EBD would know something no one knew about before, that Menzel
had a cryptanalysis background? You claim in your book
(TS/Majic, pp. 67, 243) that the EBD gave these "details" of
Menzel's cryptanalysis background and then lo and behold two
years later you uncover Menzel's "secret life" as an NSA
consulting cryptanalyst.

But where does the EBD say anything about Menzel's codebreaking
talents? How is it that you cannot seem to find your way around
a mere 8-page document such as the EBD? You claimed a "pattern"
of what would supposedly be left for bedtime reading in the
Attachments and that in "all cases" there is "no name preceding"
the "See Attachment" reference. Yet I find three names
"preceding" the "See Attachment 'A.'" You claim the EBD gives
details of Menzel's secret life as an expert cryptanalyst
(TS/Majic, pp. 67, 243) yet no one can find any such thing and
you can't quote where it does.

Maybe I have to issue a $1,000 challenge to you to find anywhere
that the EBD (as received in 1984) mentions that Menzel was an
expert in cryptanalysis, and if you cannot find it within a
reasonable period of time for reading and studying an 8-page
document, say 1 week, then you give me $1,000.


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