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Re: Bob Shell Was A 'Marked' Man?

From: Alfred Lehmberg <alienview.nul>
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 19:08:57 -0500
Archived: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 07:37:05 -0400
Subject: Re: Bob Shell Was A 'Marked' Man?


>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul>
>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 09:43:25 -0500
>Subject: Re: Bob Shell Was A 'Marked' Man?

>>From: Alfred Lehmberg <alienview.nul>
>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 07:28:25 -0500
>>Subject: Re: Bob Shell Was A 'Marked' Man?

>>>From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99.nul>
>>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>>Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2007 13:10:20 +0000
>>>Subject: Re: Bob Shell Was A 'Marked' Man?

<snip>

>>Regretfully though, there seems to be, well, _everywhere_...
>>such a fecund propensity for same, eh? It's _difficult_ not to
>>see it, too, Sir.

>>The facts of the Shell case are that his guilt should not be
>>reflexively _presumed_, perhaps?

>"Presumed," yes, though hardly "reflexively."

>The way our legal system works, Alfred, is that persons are
>presumed innocent until proved guilty.

Really! Who'da' thought that it would actually _be_ the way
you'd always heard?

But seriously I suppose we have agree to disagree right here, to
start. Seems you believe _in_ it. And I don't believe it. Ironic
given I'm dismissed as the credulous believer... but then you
too, actually, dependent on where one stands to make the call.
Lastly, just a touch patronizing, Jerry, all respect to you.

>"Proved guilty" happens
>after a jury reaches that conclusion, based on the evidence
>presented at trial.

C'mon dude, stop! I'm getting a stitch in my side! "Evidence
presented at a trial" an especially pregnant phrase, is gravid
with suppositions and assumptions good only to provide the first
opportunity for the slickest of the opposing sides to come up
with a catchy phrase like 'If the glove don't fit you can't
convict.' Seriously, get Bill Weber to tell you why he walked
away from law school, sometime... it's a real education, and a
lesson learned apart from him, too. Consider Alberto Gonzalas'
hand in all those death penalties while George dubbers was
Govenor of Texas. Think every one of those was a righteous bust?

>The jury did indeed reach that decision.

So? So do Star Chambers. We won't expect them to provide the
veritas even as they would pretend to their own gravitas. Juries
are led down that primrose path more often than not I would
suspect. You even point that out later like it proves your
point. It does not.

>Therefore, it is now up to Shell's defenders to prove him
>innocent.

Uh-huh, that possibly conflicted ' second team' assigned to him
by - forgive the hyperbole - shiftless wolves provided by the
same possibly duplicitous bunch persecuting, I mean
"prosecuting."

>That's the way it works.

Oh Jeez. You would maintain that the fire flames were the
dancing shadows on Plato's cave wall, too? Where does it _ever_
work exactly like that given the deal cutting, plea bargains,
and outright chicanery of the, pardon me, real world.

Forgive me Jerry, but you come across like an ideologue or
hopelessly naive when I know that you are neither. How is it can
you can remotely give this third grade lecture about how things
should work when I am sure you must know that they do not.

>And if you want to charge
>that the jurors were part of the conspiracy (whose very
>existence is yet undocumented, simply declared), prove it.

It's an _insult_ to insist or suggest that we have to go _there_
at all... if I suspect that it can be very possible that
jurisprudence these days is a goat with a ring in its nose used
as a mechanism to provide an _illusion_ of the rule of law when
it is swayed so much by the liquidity of assets of the sides. An
egregious abomination actually.

>So far all I've seen are the usual woolly-headed - and, frankly,
>tediously predictable - conspiratorial ruminations.

Hey - burned and shy you know?

>We all know
>of instances of prosecutorial misconduct, and we also know that
>juries can be mistaken.

I suppose then it is a matter of degree, then, and we can expect
to have a Shell, or a Cornet (sp), or a Ford ground up in a
system 'as good as it gets'... so that's just too damned bad?
Sorry?

>Those determinations, however, are made
>with the demonstration of actual evidence, of which we have seen
>none so far.

There's no evidence that Shell might have been a marked man due
to overturning a few key table of the mendacious moneychangers
locally? I don't know. But you seem to, or say there is no
evidence of same.

>I can certainly understand why Shell's friends are distressed
>about the way things turned out, but reality is often unhappy.

Yeah - sitting around the table pounding beers would have had it
squirting from my nose, pardner. Reality is often contrived to
unreality. Life can be a crap-filled twinky and every day
another bite? Let me get that down.

>If, on the other hand, the reality is that Shell is innocent,
>his supporters have an obligation to do the hard work of proving
>it to the legal system - as opposed, say, to the lazy option of
>railing at Updates doubters, who are entirely irrelevant to the
>legal case.

That's not fair... and apart from the point! There's a definite
rush to judgment that I'd tackle out of hand, hobble where I
could, and restrict where I'd thought it appropriate. I be even
quicker to your defense Jerry, if by the grace of God...

I'd throw money in a defense fund; I'd provide representation
not directly from the belly of the beast prosecuting, I'd
suggest a change of venue given the enmity of a 'local concern'
against him. Perhaps 'doubters' should examine the tragedy of
their own indifference to the singular plight of persons in
their company and examine a faith in a system only in their
advocacy if that person can pay for it.


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