UFO UpDates
A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena
'Its All Here In Black & White'
Location: UFOUpDatesList.Com > 2007 > Sep > Sep 13

Re: Skeptic Wanted

From: Robert Gates <RGates8254.nul>
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 23:10:24 EDT
Archived: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 14:19:55 -0400
Subject: Re: Skeptic Wanted

>From: Frank Warren <frank-warren.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 09:10:16 -0700
>Subject: Skeptic Wanted

>Fellow Listerions,

>I would like to hear your thoughts on who might be regarded as a
>'respected skeptic' (living) re. Ufology, specifically. Not a
>debunker - those who say, black to our white - rather someone
>who has done research and offers a good argument.

>Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated...

Hi Frank and Listers,

I don't know of any so called respected skeptic. It seems most
if not all end up being skeptibunkers, which is deny and explain
at all costs.

Personally I think alot of folks in the field provide more then
enough 'respectable skeptical analysis' of cases. People such as
Richard Hall, Kevin Randle, Brad Sparks, Jerry Clark, Stan
Friedman, and many, many others out there do a fine job
dissecting cases, putting out information both pro and con.

I believe the key here is that whom ever does the original
investigation, doesn't instantly vomit the case all over Coast
to Coast or the Internet. It should be investigated, then a
review by somebody, similar to the names I mention above would
be in order to make sure the investigator didn't miss something,
or follow up on a promising avenue of inquiry. Naturally the
understanding with that person is the information doesn't leak,
and the person conducting the review doesn't hijack the case.

Then hopefully once the case and the investigation does hit
public eye alot of the i's are dotted and the t's crossed so to

I have actually had the opportunity to do a review for some
investigators. The understanding is that the information is not
leaked, nor talked about by me. I have provided input and
thoughts after reviewing reports and data. Some they have agreed
with, some not...i.e. judgement call.

So the long answer to the short question is people should look
to respectable people in the community for help.

Its kind of like the people who figure that we need to wait
around until science decides it wants to study UFOS. Science
will never get around to that in a serious vain, because truly
science doesn't think much of UFOs. Its off there radar scope.
You look at geologists. Most geologists are looking for clues to
how the earth was formed and made etc etc. Well the
Meteorologists couldn't care less about anything that comes from
the geologists, unless of course it has some direct application
to weather. Likewise the astronomers as a whole couldn't care
less about what comes from geology, or weather, unless it
directly applys to something they are doing.

Point being is that it is up to US within the field to make the
difference. We shouldn't wait for others, or so called main
stream science.

Remember you esentially have four kind of people in the UFO world.

1) The gulliable believer who believes every group of aircraft
landing lights are an alien space ship, and who believes
anything and everything they see over the internet or hear on
talk radio.

2) The skeptibunker who believes _everything_ is explained as
some kind of natural occurance or misidentification, or witness
fabrications. Anything that can't be explained falls into the
category of 'it will be explained in 40-50 years.

3) The Go Getter. Who is prepared to unload the latest wild and
incredible tale that anybody, and I mean anybody tells them.
They believe everything the individual tells them, does not
check the back ground of the witnesses out, verify college
degrees, or educational background and rationalizes any later
found inconsistency away as an evil secret government plot. The
more the story is unproveable and unverifiable, the more they
seem to like it.

 3) The honest investigator. He or she may have witnesses
strange activity, but they are still objective, forthright, and
careful not to pronounce everything they see and or hear to be
an alien space craft. They examine the evidence, look at all the
possible explainations, and investigate the case to either rule
them in or out. They are careful not to unload the story
publicly until they have examined the evidence and come to some
kind of conclusion.



Listen to 'Strange Days... Indeed' - The PodCast



[ Next Message | Previous Message | This Day's Messages ]
This Month's Index |

UFO UpDates Main Index

UFO UpDates - Toronto - Operated by Errol Bruce-Knapp

Archive programming by Glenn Campbell at Glenn-Campbell.com