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Re: How Did Frank Kaufman Slip Through?

From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993.nul>
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 10:15:15 EDT
Archived: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 11:55:41 -0400
Subject: Re: How Did Frank Kaufman Slip Through?

>From: Greg Boone <Evolbaby.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:40:31 EDT
>Subject: How Did Frank Kaufman Slip Through?

>How did that happen? How did he slip through not as a minor
>witness but a celebrated major witness? Did he falsify his
>credentials or weren't they checked thoroughly? Did he have top
>credentials and used them to tell his tall tales?
Greg, List, All -

Let's talk about Frank Kaufmann. Let's first note that he didn't
say that he wouldn't talk until 2002 when his oath ran out. He
talked from the first moment I interviewed him in 1990. He was
cagey at the time, hinted that he knew quite a bit about the
case, but was somewhat reluctant to talk about it.

First question... how did I learn about Frank Kaufmann? Walter
Haut told me that someone I would want to talk to was Frank.
Walter hinted that Frank had some inside knowledge that would be
helpful. I called Frank not long after Walter had given me his

Frank told me (and several others) that he had been at the base
in July 1947. He hinted then that he had been part of the
military, but the truth was, he was assigned there in a civilian
capacity. Frank said that when the war ended, he was not going
to be released from the service because he was in a critical
job. They decided that he could do it as a civilian and draw
less attention to himself, so he was released from active duty
in 1946.

Frank provided a copy of his separation paper showing that he
had been a master sergeant and that he had some very specialized
intelligence training. The document looked to be authentic and
in one sense was.

Frank's picture appears in the Yearbook that Walter Haut put
together in 1947. Frank is receiving a medal from Payne
Jennings. Studying the picture carefully, I believe the medal to
be a World War II Victory Medal, though I don't know why there
were be a presentation for it. Everyone who served in the
military during WWII received it.

Those in Roswell I asked about Frank, including Walter Haut told
me that he was honest and that, according to Walter, "Anything
Frank tells you is golden."

Each time we began to waver, each time we began to suggest that
we were getting nowhere, Frank would come up with another bit of
documentation. He provided notes, on authentic paper from the
era (that is post WW II) that suggested they were old. Don
Schmitt told me, based on his experience as an artist (yeah, I
listened to that), that he thought the drawings were quite old
(they would have been around fifty years old at the time) which
suggested that Frank had made them in 1947.

The paper was the kind used by the military during the war, and
included the little "Buy War Bonds," logo.

He gave me a copy of a page from the log book that documented
the time of the crash, according to what Frank said. We talked
to William Woody, a young man in Roswell in 1947, who told us of
seeing the craft in the sky and Frank's notes seemed to confirm
what Woody said. Since the two didn't know one another, there
was no collusion between them.

Later he would give me a letter signed by Edwin Easley, that
said, "For the purpose of analysis and evaluation, the craft
recovered is being assumed to be manned craft of unknown origin
and may in fact represent an interplanetary craft of some kind."

Yeah, this would be a smoking gun document, but it seems that a
couple of the office symbols used didn't exist in 1947. To
Frank's credit, he did spell marshal correctly, as in provost

So, we had Walter Haut giving us Frank Kaufmann, we had some of
the people in Roswell vouching for him as an honest man. We had
some documentation that did prove some of what Frank was telling
us... and quite frankly, as Karl Pflock pointed out, we had the
will to believe.

There wasn't really much evidence to show that Frank was lying.
If you accepted the Mogul myth, as Karl did, then you knew that
Frank was lying, but if you thought the crash might have been
extraterrestrial, then Frank could be telling the truth. He
would give us pictures and shows us documents and hint that
other things would be given to us when the time was right.

There were little confirmations. Frank said the craft fell late
on the evening of July 4, and that worked out so that Woody and
his dad went out looking for it on the weekend rather than on a
Tuesday night and that seemed more logical.

He said that he had met Werner von Braum and when we questioned
that, he produced a "Congressional Recognition" which was an
official document showing that von Braun had been in Roswell to
help dedicate the museum about Robert Goodard. So, Frank, who
was the Executive Vice President of the Roswell Chamber of
Commerce was there. One paragraph said, "Frank Kaufmann... has,
through the years, made a notable contribution. National leaders
such as Dr. von Braun..."

So, it wasn't outside the realm of possibility. Frank had been
at the same event as von Braun. I mean we have all had a chance
to talk to celebrities in strange circumstances. Who would have
thought that I would meet David Letterman in Baghdad?

Frank's stories all unraveled right after he died in 2001. Dr.
Mark Rodeghier of the Center for UFO Studies, with Mark Chesney
and Don Schmitt were in Roswell and were asked by Kaufmann's
widow, a very nice lady named Juanita, if they would check his
papers to make sure there were no obligations that he had failed
to meet prior to his death. While searching those papers, they
found the evidence that Frank had forged many of the documents,
that he had a supply of the old paper, that he had been nothing
more than a staff sergeant (which is not to say that staff
sergeants aren't important, only that he hadn't been a master
sergeant), that he had two old typewriters, and other bits and
pieces. It meant that th Kaufmann tales were little more than
the inventions of a clever man.

So, to answer the question, how did he slip through? His name
had been provided by Walter Haut, he was vouched for by Walter
and others (such as Robert Shirkey, an operations officer at
Roswell in 1947), he had some documentation.

For those interested, I had written to St. Louis in an attempt
to get Frank's record and was told, "If the record were (sic)
here on July 12, 1973, it would have been in the area that
suffered the most damage in the fire on that date and may have
been destroyed."

In another attempt, made in 2003, they provided no records other
than to write, "This veteran was a member of the Army of the
United States from August 5, 1942 to March 27, 1944. He was
honorable discharged as a staff sergeant." This isn't correct.
According to Frank's "real" separation, he was discharged on
October 30, 1945. I don't know why those in St. Louis reported
the date as 1944.

Needless to say, had this information been available to me ten
years earlier, I could have avoided the embarrassment of
believing that Frank Kaufmann had anything of value to
contribute to the investigation.

I don't know how we go about preventing this in today's world.
Yes, we should be more skeptical and yes, we should check out as
much as we can. Independent documentation is necessary, and it
is good to have someone vouch for the witness. But Frank had the
documentation. The verification of his military service simply
didn't work and I don't know why. The Records Center in St.
Louis should have been able to do something more than say the
records burned and later providing inaccurate information.

Frank appeared to be who he said he was. He was clearly in
Roswell at the right time and he clearly had been assigned to
the base. We had documentation, we had others vouching for him.
The only thing we could have done is not report his story, but
then where would we be.

We've all been fooled. Some by Gerald Anderson who seemed to be
credible but was not. Glenn Dennis who told a marvelous tale
with a missing nurse, only to change the name, and the
conditions when it was found there had been no nurse by that
name. Jim Ragsdale told of seeing the crash and seemed to have
some inside knowledge that, at one time, corroborated part of
Frank's story, but later blew up just as badly.

I suppose all we can do is look at the tales with a skeptical
eye, search for verification and report the facts as we learn
them. Otherwise we'll just never get anything done.

I will point out one other sad fact here. As we, meaning Don
Schmitt and I were working on this investigation, there were
many who wondered where our financing originated. They thought
MUFON, the Center or FUFOR was providing it. Both the Center and
FUFOR did contribute, but nowhere near the amount we needed. It
came from our own pockets and one of the ways to recover some of
that money was to publish what we had. Yes, it was premature and
preliminary, but it was also necessary so that we could
continue. We went with the best we had. Unfortunately, at this
point, people were coming out of the woodwork with great stories
of the crash. I mean, it was great to begin a lecture by saying,
"This story starts like those Science Fiction tales in the
movies... a couple in a desert area and something falls from the

So we published what we had, but then, Karl Pflock published
what he had and while he was right about Kaufmann (and for the
wrong reasons) he was wrong about others including Brigadier
General Arthur Exon whom he virtually ignored. We were
attempting to increase our cash for more research. The solution
would be funding for UFO investigation so that the money doesn't
come out of the pockets of the researcher... or investigators
who are rich enough to finance their work.

I really have no solution for this problem of financing. I'll
also note that some aspects of the UFO field are revisited
periodically because there are those who believe it with a
passion. We have contactees, cattle mutilations (yes, I'll stir
up that hornets nest again) the Allende Letters and so on, all
coming back so that we don't progress. We do the same things
over and over and don't progress at all. We stagnate and never
realize it.

For those interested, I have posted, to my blog, this article
along with some of the pictures and letters and documentation.
(Or will just as soon as I can get it ready.)


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