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Lazar & Debunking [was: 'American Spy Satellite

From: James Horak <jchorak7441.nul>
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:36:52 -0700 (PDT)
Archived: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 08:56:06 -0400
Subject: Lazar & Debunking [was: 'American Spy Satellite

>From: Richard Hall <dh12.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 13:08:40 -0400
>Subject: Re: 'American Spy Satellite Downed In Peru'?

>>From: James Horak <jchorak7441.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 07:28:06 -0700 (PDT)
>>Subject: Re: 'American Spy Satellite Downed In Peru'?

>>>From: Richard Hall <dh12.nul>
>>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>>Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:31:54 -0400
>>>Subject: Re: 'American Spy Satellite Downed In Peru'?


>>>As predicted, a wealth of slipping and sliding, and slithering,
>>>and not one iota of evidence.

>>>Among other things, I have in my possession a fake W-2 form
>>>claimed by Lazar as proof of his employment by the Navy.

>>>Unfortunately for him I had access to lots of relevant reference
>>>volumes, and (1) no such Navy office existed, and (2) the Zip
>>>Code on the W-2 form never existed. But I understand that faith-
>>>based belief is unassailable

>>Why, Mr. Hall, because you say so? You have less credibility
>>with me than does Lazar. I'll tell you why, because there's
>>always more significance to what you choose to ignore than what
>>you address.

>>Forging a government document and a publisher allowing it in a
>>book, making no determination of its authenticity, without any
>>serious repercussion and under the circumstances of its
>>sensational subject matter...why isn't Mr. Lazar in jail if what
>>you say is true? If the government chose not to do its duty, the
>>publisher damn well would. All silence though, just like you on
>>that point.

>>If you have had anything to do with the debunking of others,
>>like an errant forensic pathologist bent on winning cases for a
>>D.A.'s office, I'd recommend all those you've influenced to re-
>>examine your basis. As the old adage says, you ain't showed me


>All this just shows what exquisitely bad judgment you have and
>what illogic you display. I suggest you actually investigate
>Lazar's arrest record and his entire history of engaging in
>fraudulent claims.

Why, because I don't employ your, leap to debunk, tactics? No,
the government never hires liars and cons do they? And they
never resort to built-in deniability - like using a bad zip code
for an area they said at the time did not exist etc., etc.

>Ask Stan Friedman about Lazar. He actually did some
>investigating and if you look back in the List Archive you will
>find his posts about Lazar's totally false educational
>background and employment claims.

We had a Vice-President whose master's thesis was identical to
that of one of his colleagues, but that didn't keep him out of
the White House. Why don't you let Mr. Friedman speak for
himself? Will he say that Lazar is lying about ever being at
Groom Lake, like you?

Just because of your own limitations on acquiring knowledge on
your own, don't presume that on others.

>I could care a fig whether you believe me. But you need to look
>before your leap.

Whatever I may appear to be doing is not near the leap, to
credit, as is your leap to debunk. And that applies across the
board, to almost everything I've read of yours.

What's more, I'm subject to react to new information. You haven't
shown me you are. It's always just one denial and disparagement
from you after another.

I recognize that government agencies can cover anyone's tracks,
you don't. I recognize the industry of disinformants built around the
concept of, controlled release of information, you don't

If you've been around this very long, and don't believe conspiracies
exist, something is radically wrong with how you utilize information.
Deplorably so.

I definitely don't believe either your information or your perspective
serves well enough to blanketly deny what you do, or justify it.

No, I don't believe you.


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