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Re: Lazar & Debunking

From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul>
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 08:43:06 -0500
Archived: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 10:00:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Lazar & Debunking

>From: James Horak <jchorak7441.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:36:52 -0700 (PDT)
>Subject: Lazar & Debunking [was: 'American Spy Satellite Downed in Peru?']

>>From: Richard Hall <dh12.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 13:08:40 -0400
>>Subject: Re: 'American Spy Satellite Downed In Peru'?

>>>From: James Horak <jchorak7441.nul>
>>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>>Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 07:28:06 -0700 (PDT)
>>>Subject: Re: 'American Spy Satellite Downed In Peru'?

>>>>From: Richard Hall <dh12.nul>
>>>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>>>Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:31:54 -0400
>>>>Subject: Re: 'American Spy Satellite Downed In Peru'?

>>>Why, Mr. Hall, because you say so? You have less credibility
>>>with me than does Lazar. I'll tell you why, because there's
>>>always more significance to what you choose to ignore than what
>>>you address.

>>>Forging a government document and a publisher allowing it in a
>>>book, making no determination of its authenticity, without any
>>>serious repercussion and under the circumstances of its
>>>sensational subject matter...why isn't Mr. Lazar in jail if what
>>>you say is true? If the government chose not to do its duty, the
>>>publisher damn well would. All silence though, just like you on
>>>that point.

>All this just shows what exquisitely bad judgment you have and
>what illogic you display. I suggest you actually investigate
>Lazar's arrest record and his entire history of engaging in
>fraudulent claims.


If this guy wants to believe that Lazar is telling the truth,
it's just not worth the time and effort to try to persuade him
otherwise. It is, as we have already seen, an endeavor destined
to fail, and only to generate a new round of invective and ad
hominem. It's clear that he's somebody - we've met his like
along the road we've traveled too many times to count - who
believes in anything and everything except the existence of

As a much-published author, however, I confess to being amused
by his faith in the integrity of book publishers. It's been a
while since I encountered such. In the real world, as has been
voluminously documented in print and in individual experience,
with the occasional honorable exception mainstream trade book
publishers - as opposed to their academic-press counterparts -
care about two things: selling as many books as possible and
not getting sued for libel.

Actually, the latter is a distinctly secondary concern, since
the standard contract shifts legal responsibility for content to
the author. Privately, not a few publishers and editors refer to
their UFO/anomaly/paranormal titles as "nut books". They care a
whole lot less - if at all - about their factual content than
about their sales potential. I happen to know precisely what the
editor - at a major publishing house, yet - of a notorious
alleged insider's account of the supposed official UFO cover-up
thought about the book's connection to anything that ever
happened in the real world: pretty much non-existent, in his

Please don't feel obliged to reply, Mr. Horak. These words are
not addressed to you, but to Dick Hall and the larger UpDates
audience. We already know what you believe.

Jerry Clark

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