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Re: Forged Documents

From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993.nul>
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 15:01:41 EDT
Archived: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 10:36:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Forged Documents

>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul>
>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 09:26:14 -0500
>Subject: Re: Forged Documents

>>From: Gildas Bourdais <bourdais.gildas.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:55:34 +0200
>>Subject: Re: Forged Documents


>>Bob Lazar may have told his story, more or less, as he
>>remembered it, but his memory may have been altered, to feed him
>>a dose of disinformation.

>>Actually, he admitted that he may have been manipulated. In
>>other words, he may have been a "useful idiot", as Jacques
>>Vallee would say.

>>But, if this is the case, it does not mean that all what he saw
>>and 'learned' was necessarily false. We find the same intricacy
>>regarding the MJ-12 documents - completely false, or half false,
>>and then half true?

>>The real world is not just black and white. It has many shades or

>Ordinarily, I respect your views and take them seriously, even
>on those occasions when my own views may not be quite the same.
>But this is just grasping at straws.

>Why is so hard to believe that some people make up stuff? Why do
>we have to continue to believe in the face of some pretty
>clear-cut evidence that would lead any reasonable observer to
>serious doubt? Good Afternoon, Jerry, List, All -

I'm going to butt in here once again and comment on Jerry's note
about people making up stuff. Although I think we have ample
evidence in the UFO field, I might point us in a direction where
we all should be able to evaluate the evidence in a more
dispassionate arena.

For those interested, take a look at the book Stolen Valor about
those claiming Vietnam service and who, upon review, turn out to
be making it up. Some do it so that they will be eligible for VA
benefits that can amount to thousands of tax-free dollars a
month, some do it to boost their prestige (such as Iowa Senator
Tom Harkin who claimed to be a Vietnam Veteran until called on
the point and  changed his Senate biography to say Vietnam-era
Veteran), some do it to impress friends and family and some do
it to draw the spotlight to themselves.

In the 1990 census, there was a question about service in
Vietnam and some 13,000,000 people claimed such service. That
was 9,000,000 more than actually served... there was no point in
lying on the census form because no one was going to see it, but
lie they did.

So, I throw in with Jerry on this one. Some people just lie
about all sorts of things for all sorts of reasons. In some
cases we only need the black basket because the evidence is
overwhelming. We need to realize that some issues are black and


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