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Re: Forged Documents

From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul>
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 11:18:47 -0500
Archived: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 14:20:28 -0400
Subject: Re: Forged Documents

>From: Greg Boone <evolbaby.nul>
>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 08:14:41 -0700
>Subject: Re: Forged Documents

>>From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 15:01:41 EDT
>>Subject: Re: Forged Documents

>>>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul>
>>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>>Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 09:26:14 -0500
>>>Subject: Re: Forged Documents

>>>>From: Gildas Bourdais <bourdais.gildas.nul>
>>>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>>>Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:55:34 +0200
>>>>Subject: Re: Forged Documents

>>So, I throw in with Jerry on this one. Some people just lie
>>about all sorts of things for all sorts of reasons. In some
>>cases we only need the black basket because the evidence is
>>overwhelming. We need to realize that some issues are black and

>Criminal and civil but again a case by case basis. If someone
>offers info to you, let them know that if they're lying or
>perpetrating a fraud you will pursue criminal and civil charges
>where warranted. I know that sounds heavy handed and may turn
>some witnesses away but what's worse? More fraud or more
>dedicated data. I'm not talking about people who are delusional
>or have been tricked, I'm talking about out and out fraud.

Greg, I dislike hoaxers as much as anybody, but I wonder what
we're getting into here. I would guess that your project is
unlikely to get beyond the talking stage. That, I think, is the
outcome to be hoped for.

It seems to me you're conflating "fraud" - a criminal offense -
- with lying. Lying happens all the time; not a person on this
List has never told a lie (though let us hope they were all
white ones). Lying is a venerable human practice, mostly
harmless, unquestionably a form of protected free expression.
Actually, it's the lies of those in power, not the lies of
saucer yarn-spinners, that cause real, demonstrable harm.

I am seriously displeased when somebody makes up a UFO story or
forges a UFO-related document, but all I can do about it is to
make an effort to expose the claim as fictional if that's what I
suspect it is.

Unless somebody is using that story to empty a gullible old
lady's bank account (off the top of my head, I can think of two
old contactee cases that fit that description: Reinhold Schmidt
and a more obscure professional swindler), no actual crime is
occurring. Lamentable conduct, certainly, but no more.

Jerry Clark

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