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Re: Forged Documents

From: Gildas Bourdais <bourdais.gildas.nul>
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 18:43:31 +0200
Archived: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 14:51:31 -0400
Subject: Re: Forged Documents


>From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 15:01:41 EDT
>Subject: Re: Forged Documents

>>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul>
>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 09:26:14 -0500
>>Subject: Re: Forged Documents

>>>From: Gildas Bourdais <bourdais.gildas.nul>
>>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>>Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:55:34 +0200
>>>Subject: Re: Forged Documents

><snip>

>>>Bob Lazar may have told his story, more or less, as he
>>>remembered it, but his memory may have been altered, to feed
>>>him a dose of disinformation.

>>>Actually, he admitted that he may have been manipulated. In
>>>other words, he may have been a "useful idiot", as Jacques
>>>Vallee would say.

>>>But, if this is the case, it does not mean that all what he
>>>saw and 'learned' was necessarily false. We find the same
>>>intricacy regarding the MJ-12 documents - completely false,
>>>or half false, and then half true?

>>>The real world is not just black and white. It has many shades
>>>or gray.

>>Ordinarily, I respect your views and take them seriously, even
>>on those occasions when my own views may not be quite the same.
>>But this is just grasping at straws.

>>Why is so hard to believe that some people make up stuff? Why do
>>we have to continue to believe in the face of some pretty
>>clear-cut evidence that would lead any reasonable observer to
>>serious doubt? Good Afternoon, Jerry, List, All -

>I'm going to butt in here once again and comment on Jerry's note
>about people making up stuff. Although I think we have ample
>evidence in the UFO field, I might point us in a direction where
>we all should be able to evaluate the evidence in a more
>dispassionate arena.

>For those interested, take a look at the book Stolen Valor about
>those claiming Vietnam service and who, upon review, turn out to
>be making it up. Some do it so that they will be eligible for VA
>benefits that can amount to thousands of tax-free dollars a
>month, some do it to boost their prestige (such as Iowa Senator
>Tom Harkin who claimed to be a Vietnam Veteran until called on
>the point and  changed his Senate biography to say Vietnam-era
>Veteran), some do it to impress friends and family and some do
>it to draw the spotlight to themselves.

>In the 1990 census, there was a question about service in
>Vietnam and some 13,000,000 people claimed such service. That
>was 9,000,000 more than actually served... there was no point
>in lying on the census form because no one was going to see it,
>but lie they did.

>So, I throw in with Jerry on this one. Some people just lie
>about all sorts of things for all sorts of reasons. In some
>cases we only need the black basket because the evidence is
>overwhelming. We need to realize that some issues are black and
>white.


Kevin,

Of course, there are clear cut, black and white cases. I am
ready to admit that Bob Lazar was a total liar. However, I would
like to have your opinion about the hypothesis that there may be
complex actions of gradual release of information, leaving the
possibility of 'plausible deniability'.

Do you admit that possibility?


Gildas




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