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Re: Rendlesham Was Not ET Says Prime Witness

From: Dave Haith <visions1.nul>
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 18:20:09 +0100
Archived: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 14:31:07 -0400
Subject: Re: Rendlesham Was Not ET Says Prime Witness

>From: Carol Maltby <carolmaltby.nul>
>To: post.nul
>Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 10:08:27 -0400
>Subject: Re: Rendlesham Was Not ET Says Prime Witness

>>From: Dave Haith <visions1.nul>
>>To: UFO UpDates <post.nul>
>>Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 18:55:42 +0100
>>Subject: Rendlesham Was Not ET Says Prime Witness

>>I am unsure of the rules of Facebook... if somebody pastes
>>something on a page, is it in the public domain?

>>Gambling that it's OK, on my Facebook page's Newsfeed appeared a
>>current discussion about life in the universe and whether we
>>might be the first.


>I haven't been able to find a source for this, on Facebook or
>elsewhere. Jim Penniston has a Facebook account, which I found
>through his participation (and yours) in the Justice For The
>Bentwaters 81st Security Police At Rendlesham Forest 1980 FB

>For some reason a FB search for James Penniston does not bring
>up this James Penniston, though you can get to his profile from
>posts in the Justice... group. I haven't run into that before.

>Penniston's FB account is set to private, so those who are not
>signed on as his 'friends' will not see any details, such as
>conversations on his Wall. I'm not sure how the newsfeeds apps

>Anything that is on a FB Wall that is not publicly visible
>should have a reasonable expectation of privacy, at least in
>theory. Netiquette and ethics would suggest that before quoting
>elsewhere, permission should be obtained from the participants
>(much like Errol's guidelines on this List).

>The writers own the rights to their words no matter what, and
>they are not public domain unless those copyrights are
>relinquished, or permissible under a stated Creative Commons
>agreement. Fair Use standards might apply to short excerpts that
>are publicly visible. Copyright issues regarding internet
>material may depend on which country the servers are located in.
>As with many issues, there are a lot of grey areas between the
>spirit of the law and the letter of the law. When in doubt, aim
>to be thoughtful and ethical in your cutting and pasting of
>online material.


I now gather that Jim Penniston, a Facebook 'friend' of Nick
Pope posted his comments on Nick's 'wall' as part of a thread
about Nick's Royal Albert Hall talk.

I am also a 'friend' of Nick Pope and Jim Penniston which
presumably is why the item appeared on my Facebook.

Nick tells me his settings are 'relatively open', so posting a
comment on his wall means it's likely to be seen by numerous

I appreciate your advice about being " thoughtful and ethical in
cutting and pasting of online material" but my view is that if
you want to keep something private, posting it on a social
networking site would be unwise.

The law must set its own standards but I would argue that the
responsibility of guarding privacy lies primarily with the

As for "writers owning the rights to their words no matter what",
it seems this isn't true as far as Facebook is concerned.

According to this link:


Facebook has a license to do whatever they want with your

Facebook rules state:

"By posting User Content to any part of the Site, you
automatically grant, and you represent and warrant that you have
the right to grant, to the Company an irrevocable, perpetual,
non-exclusive, transferable, fully paid, worldwide license (with
the right to sublicense) to use, copy, publicly perform,
publicly display, reformat, translate, excerpt (in whole or in
part) and distribute such User Content for any purpose on or in
connection with the Site or the promotion thereof, to prepare
derivative works of, or incorporate into other works, such User
Content, and to grant and authorize sublicenses of the

According to the legal writer on that link: "this means you're
giving up copyright control of your material. If you upload a
photo to Facebook, they can sell copies of it without paying you
a cent. If you write lengthy notes (or import your blog posts!),
Facebook can turn them into a book, sell a million copies, and
pay you nothing."

Oh, the purpose of this post was rather to prompt reaction to
Penniston's views rather than discuss Facebook!

Dave Haith

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